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	<title>Comments on: Fine-grained relinquishment of nanotechnology</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Positive headlines are more helpful&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a great negative heading, &quot;Fine-Grained Relinquishment of Nanotechnology&quot;. Bill Joy would want more but I&#039;m sure he&#039;s pretty happy with this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who needs external detractors when the internal negative forces are doing just fine all by themselves? (I know I&#039;m being unduly harsh about a single turn of phrase .... sorry, just trying to combat negativism. :-))&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The article was not really about relinquishment at all, except in the sense of highlighting its inadequacy and making clear why only minimal relinquishment is tolerable. If you analyse what&#039;s really being said behind the very effectively written forms then you&#039;ll see that the concept of relinquishment (even minimal) is hinted at being largely a distraction and completely ineffectual. Ray Kurzweil&#039;s excellent article showed the general direction towards more constructive solutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be positive in news headings. Fear is not helpful in science and engineering.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[&lt;em&gt;&quot;These technologies are advancing on hundreds of fronts, rendering relinquishment completely ineffectual as a strategy.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Ray Kurzweil.]&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>What a great negative heading, &quot;Fine-Grained Relinquishment of Nanotechnology&quot;. Bill Joy would want more but I&#39;m sure he&#39;s pretty happy with this.</p>
<p>Who needs external detractors when the internal negative forces are doing just fine all by themselves? (I know I&#39;m being unduly harsh about a single turn of phrase &#8230;. sorry, just trying to combat negativism. <img src='http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>The article was not really about relinquishment at all, except in the sense of highlighting its inadequacy and making clear why only minimal relinquishment is tolerable. If you analyse what&#39;s really being said behind the very effectively written forms then you&#39;ll see that the concept of relinquishment (even minimal) is hinted at being largely a distraction and completely ineffectual. Ray Kurzweil&#39;s excellent article showed the general direction towards more constructive solutions.</p>
<p>Be positive in news headings. Fear is not helpful in science and engineering.</p>
<p>[<em>&quot;These technologies are advancing on hundreds of fronts, rendering relinquishment completely ineffectual as a strategy.&quot;</em> - Ray Kurzweil.]</p>
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		<title>By: Morgaine</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1366#comment-3995</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Beginning of the era of commonsense?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hooray, well said Ray!!!! :-) I&#039;ve been waiting for the voice of sanity to start making itself heard in the community for several years now, and I was starting to lose hope.&lt;br /&gt;
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Ray Kurzweil is not just that guy for whom there are insufficient superlatives in a whole range of technical and visionary areas, he&#039;s also a pretty good diplomat, and he knows how to broach nicely the delicate subject that activities that have been in vogue here in recent years are actually distractions rather than being helpful, without spelling it out in black and white.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m just an engineer who likes things to be done well and who recognizes a hopelessly inadequate solution when I see one --- like for example the decidedly unfunny attempt to safeguard our future through &lt;em&gt;political&lt;/em&gt; action when such controls do nothing to stop even the most feeble attack.&lt;br /&gt;
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The key problem with that approach is that no amount of political maneuvering short of a global police state is going to stop nanotech development across several hundred countries and at potentially millions of development sites. If extremely strong coercive control measures are put into effect, they will at most impede the good guys. Hundreds of unaligned or counteraligned countries will exercise their sovereignty and ignore the &quot;attempted technical imperialism&quot; of the US and allies. Thousands of organized crime groups will do their usual nasty things out of the public limelight, and millions of independent developers will simply take exception to being branded criminals (file sharing comes to mind) and will potter along doing their own little bit towards progress. There&#039;s no stopping it. So why waste time and why create false impressions in a direction that cannot be effective, and may even be dangerous? That&#039;s not a diplomatic statement of the mismatch of problem and touted political solutions, but at least it&#039;s short. :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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Listen to Ray. He focuses his ideas for positive action into areas such as &quot;defensive technologies&quot; which can provide real safeguards, whereas guidelines and laws and political action cannot and so he grants them faint praise. I love it. :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ray&#039;s a fine engineer &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; a diplomat. Listen to him, please.&lt;br /&gt;
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[And after commenting on the article, let&#039;s work on some decent defenses. It&#039;s our families, homes and planet that are at stake, and nobody else is going to protect our local environments if we don&#039;t.]&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Beginning of the era of commonsense?</strong></p>
<p>Hooray, well said Ray!!!! <img src='http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#39;ve been waiting for the voice of sanity to start making itself heard in the community for several years now, and I was starting to lose hope.</p>
<p>Ray Kurzweil is not just that guy for whom there are insufficient superlatives in a whole range of technical and visionary areas, he&#39;s also a pretty good diplomat, and he knows how to broach nicely the delicate subject that activities that have been in vogue here in recent years are actually distractions rather than being helpful, without spelling it out in black and white.</p>
<p>I&#39;m just an engineer who likes things to be done well and who recognizes a hopelessly inadequate solution when I see one &#8212; like for example the decidedly unfunny attempt to safeguard our future through <em>political</em> action when such controls do nothing to stop even the most feeble attack.</p>
<p>The key problem with that approach is that no amount of political maneuvering short of a global police state is going to stop nanotech development across several hundred countries and at potentially millions of development sites. If extremely strong coercive control measures are put into effect, they will at most impede the good guys. Hundreds of unaligned or counteraligned countries will exercise their sovereignty and ignore the &quot;attempted technical imperialism&quot; of the US and allies. Thousands of organized crime groups will do their usual nasty things out of the public limelight, and millions of independent developers will simply take exception to being branded criminals (file sharing comes to mind) and will potter along doing their own little bit towards progress. There&#39;s no stopping it. So why waste time and why create false impressions in a direction that cannot be effective, and may even be dangerous? That&#39;s not a diplomatic statement of the mismatch of problem and touted political solutions, but at least it&#39;s short. <img src='http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Listen to Ray. He focuses his ideas for positive action into areas such as &quot;defensive technologies&quot; which can provide real safeguards, whereas guidelines and laws and political action cannot and so he grants them faint praise. I love it. <img src='http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ray&#39;s a fine engineer <em>and</em> a diplomat. Listen to him, please.</p>
<p>[And after commenting on the article, let&#39;s work on some decent defenses. It&#39;s our families, homes and planet that are at stake, and nobody else is going to protect our local environments if we don&#39;t.]</p>
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