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		<title>By: qftconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1493#comment-4302</link>
		<dc:creator>qftconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Spinning out of control&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess it is semantics; it wasn&#039;t intended as sophistry or disingenuity. I think the distinction you state - fullerenes are &quot;&#039;just&#039; nanoparticles and not machine phase systems&quot; - is a crucial one, and I&#039;m not sure that most people could articulate it, as simple as it may appear. They are a part of &quot;nanoscale research&quot; because much ordinary chemistry is trying to relabel itself as nanotech to cash in on the NNI. That doesn&#039;t make it nanotech, at least by my definition, or by Drexler&#039;s: &quot;a technology based on the ability to build structures to complex, atomic specifications by means of mechanosynthesis; this can be termed molecular nanotechnology&quot; (&lt;em&gt;Nanosystems&lt;/em&gt;). The latter clause seems to have been added because others were misusing the term as early as 1991.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry you didn&#039;t like the headlines. I&#039;m constantly amused by the biased and overblown way headlines are written, and I thought they were funny, for more or less the reason you state in your last bullet point. Guess not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don&#039;t really believe &quot;Lack of universal understanding leads to conflict&quot;, do you? Surely you agree that two people may understand a situation (and each other) perfectly well, and still have mutually incompatible goals? Or have I misinterpreted what you&#039;re saying?&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I guess it is semantics; it wasn&#39;t intended as sophistry or disingenuity. I think the distinction you state &#8211; fullerenes are &quot;&#39;just&#39; nanoparticles and not machine phase systems&quot; &#8211; is a crucial one, and I&#39;m not sure that most people could articulate it, as simple as it may appear. They are a part of &quot;nanoscale research&quot; because much ordinary chemistry is trying to relabel itself as nanotech to cash in on the NNI. That doesn&#39;t make it nanotech, at least by my definition, or by Drexler&#39;s: &quot;a technology based on the ability to build structures to complex, atomic specifications by means of mechanosynthesis; this can be termed molecular nanotechnology&quot; (<em>Nanosystems</em>). The latter clause seems to have been added because others were misusing the term as early as 1991.</p>
<p>Sorry you didn&#39;t like the headlines. I&#39;m constantly amused by the biased and overblown way headlines are written, and I thought they were funny, for more or less the reason you state in your last bullet point. Guess not.</p>
<p>You don&#39;t really believe &quot;Lack of universal understanding leads to conflict&quot;, do you? Surely you agree that two people may understand a situation (and each other) perfectly well, and still have mutually incompatible goals? Or have I misinterpreted what you&#39;re saying?</p>
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		<title>By: Iron Sun</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1493#comment-4301</link>
		<dc:creator>Iron Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spinning out of control&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Something has to be done to communicate to the public that this has&lt;/em&gt; nothing &lt;em&gt;to do with nanotechnology&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Nothing&lt;/em&gt; (added emphasis and all) to do with nanotech? Fullerenes may be &quot;just&quot; nanoparticles and not machine phase systems but to state that they have italicized nothing to do with nanotechnology is disingenuous. As Lovy states in his blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;...I struggled to explain how nanotechnology right now is more of a concept than anything else. We&#039;ve created the building blocks and dumped them on the floor. What we create with them now, and how safely we do it, is yet to be determined.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fullerenes are part of nanoscale research. Just as not too much of a deal should be made of the toxicology study, neither should it be hand-waved away with semantics and sophistry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Here are some of the headlines we should be seeing:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, puh-leeze. Here&#039;s some more headlines that we should be seeing:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Lack of universal understanding leads to conflict&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Need for sleep limits productivity&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Inadequate water, nutrition, healthcare responsible for billions of deaths over last 30,000 years, many more to come&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Overblown, melodramatic rhetoric phrased as press release &quot;headlines&quot; fails to do more than raise eyebrows in current climate of public opinion and awareness.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Spinning out of control</strong></p>
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<p><em>Something has to be done to communicate to the public that this has</em> nothing <em>to do with nanotechnology</em></p>
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<p><em>Nothing</em> (added emphasis and all) to do with nanotech? Fullerenes may be &quot;just&quot; nanoparticles and not machine phase systems but to state that they have italicized nothing to do with nanotechnology is disingenuous. As Lovy states in his blog:</p>
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<p><em>&#8230;I struggled to explain how nanotechnology right now is more of a concept than anything else. We&#39;ve created the building blocks and dumped them on the floor. What we create with them now, and how safely we do it, is yet to be determined.</em></p>
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<p>Fullerenes are part of nanoscale research. Just as not too much of a deal should be made of the toxicology study, neither should it be hand-waved away with semantics and sophistry.</p>
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<p><em>Here are some of the headlines we should be seeing:</em></p>
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<p>Oh, puh-leeze. Here&#39;s some more headlines that we should be seeing:</p>
<ul>
<li>Lack of universal understanding leads to conflict</li>
<li>Need for sleep limits productivity</li>
<li>Inadequate water, nutrition, healthcare responsible for billions of deaths over last 30,000 years, many more to come</li>
<li>Overblown, melodramatic rhetoric phrased as press release &quot;headlines&quot; fails to do more than raise eyebrows in current climate of public opinion and awareness.</li>
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		<title>By: chip</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1493#comment-4303</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aren&#039;t buckyballs plentiful in soot?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if soot is somewhat carcinogenic too, but we &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; been coping with it in our environment for some time now, more or less successfully. So I wouldn&#039;t panic about this yet anyway, even if the erroneous meme that this has something to do with nanotech gets some traction.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Aren&#39;t buckyballs plentiful in soot?</strong></p>
<p>I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if soot is somewhat carcinogenic too, but we <em>have</em> been coping with it in our environment for some time now, more or less successfully. So I wouldn&#39;t panic about this yet anyway, even if the erroneous meme that this has something to do with nanotech gets some traction.</p>
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		<title>By: qftconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1493#comment-4300</link>
		<dc:creator>qftconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Can&#039;t FI spin control this?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not at all surprising that buckyballs may be toxic. Something has to be done to communicate to the public that this has &lt;em&gt;nothing&lt;/em&gt; to do with nanotechnology, despite the &lt;em&gt;WP&lt;/em&gt; headline. Maybe Foresight could email the Science Editor (or whoever&#039;s at fault) at the &lt;em&gt;WP&lt;/em&gt;, and set the record straight?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are some of the headlines we &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be seeing:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Lack of molecular nanotechnology linked to cancer deaths&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nondevelopment of cell repair machines linked to aging&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Inadequate nanotech funding costs millions of lives a year&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Stupid reporting misleads millions every day&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so forth.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Can&#39;t FI spin control this?</strong></p>
<p>It&#39;s not at all surprising that buckyballs may be toxic. Something has to be done to communicate to the public that this has <em>nothing</em> to do with nanotechnology, despite the <em>WP</em> headline. Maybe Foresight could email the Science Editor (or whoever&#39;s at fault) at the <em>WP</em>, and set the record straight?</p>
<p>Here are some of the headlines we <em>should</em> be seeing:</p>
<ul>
<li>Lack of molecular nanotechnology linked to cancer deaths</li>
<li>Nondevelopment of cell repair machines linked to aging</li>
<li>Inadequate nanotech funding costs millions of lives a year</li>
<li>Stupid reporting misleads millions every day</li>
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<p>And so forth.</p>
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