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		<title>By: RobertBradbury</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1626#comment-4612</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertBradbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Wired article&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A decade ago would be circa 1994. That would have been only slightly after the release of &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/nanosystems.html&quot;&gt;Nanosystems&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; and may have been before the release of the first robust molecular designs for aspects of an assembler arm such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imm.org/Parts/Parts2.html&quot;&gt;Fine Motion Controller&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is clear to a number of people at this point that the tip chemistry is going to be an important issue. (One is going to need a library of structures/reactions that the tip can adopt and engage in.) But enough reactions have been done at both the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foresight.org/stage2/mechsynthbib.html&quot;&gt;simulation and experimental levels&lt;/a&gt; at this point that it should be clear that these can be developed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What has been a &quot;job for later&quot; is an actual atomic scale design for a full assembler system, including the 4-8 million atoms in the arm itself. That is roughly ~1000x the number of atoms in the FMC. But given the high level of redundancy in the structure of an assembler arm the job is probably only 10-100x more complex than the design of the FMC. That is something that could easily be undertaken by either a major national laboratory or a major manufacturing company. My current guess is that the design would require ~25 person-years (perhaps much less if significant software design support were available). While that &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; something an academic chemist would seriously consider it is something that a company like IBM or Boeing or Intel could easily wrap their hands around.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re:Wired article</strong></p>
<p>A decade ago would be circa 1994. That would have been only slightly after the release of <em><a href="http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/nanosystems.html">Nanosystems</a></em> and may have been before the release of the first robust molecular designs for aspects of an assembler arm such as the <a href="http://www.imm.org/Parts/Parts2.html">Fine Motion Controller</a>.</p>
<p>I think it is clear to a number of people at this point that the tip chemistry is going to be an important issue. (One is going to need a library of structures/reactions that the tip can adopt and engage in.) But enough reactions have been done at both the <a href="http://www.foresight.org/stage2/mechsynthbib.html">simulation and experimental levels</a> at this point that it should be clear that these can be developed.</p>
<p>What has been a &quot;job for later&quot; is an actual atomic scale design for a full assembler system, including the 4-8 million atoms in the arm itself. That is roughly ~1000x the number of atoms in the FMC. But given the high level of redundancy in the structure of an assembler arm the job is probably only 10-100x more complex than the design of the FMC. That is something that could easily be undertaken by either a major national laboratory or a major manufacturing company. My current guess is that the design would require ~25 person-years (perhaps much less if significant software design support were available). While that <em>isn&#39;t</em> something an academic chemist would seriously consider it is something that a company like IBM or Boeing or Intel could easily wrap their hands around.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1626#comment-4611</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Wired article&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The October 2004 issue of Wired magazine has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/drexler.html&quot;&gt;comments by Smalley&lt;/a&gt; in which he describes his change of heart:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Sitting in his hotel room at June&#039;s NanoSummit, Smalley explains that he was once captivated by Drexler&#039;s notions. &quot;I was enchanted by Engines of Creation,&quot; he says. &quot;I read it in a single sitting, and then I reread it.&quot; As late as 1999, he testified to Congress about &quot;what will be possible when we learn to build things at the ultimate level of control, one atom at a time.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But doubts crept in as Smalley pondered the theory. &quot;For months I said to myself, How could we have missed this? Is it really possible to do chemistry in this way? After a while I thought I saw what might be some problems. The more I thought about it, the more troublesome they appeared. Finally I ended up thinking, it&#039;s just hopeless.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Smalley recalls a meeting he arranged with Drexler at Stanford about a decade ago. &quot;I wanted to talk about the tip,&quot; he says, referring to the business end of Drexler&#039;s machines. &quot;I love the idea of the assembler. So I tried to drag him into a conversation about the tip, and he stonewalled. It was as if the tip was a job for later.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wired article</strong></p>
<p>The October 2004 issue of Wired magazine has <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/drexler.html">comments by Smalley</a> in which he describes his change of heart:</p>
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<p>Sitting in his hotel room at June&#39;s NanoSummit, Smalley explains that he was once captivated by Drexler&#39;s notions. &quot;I was enchanted by Engines of Creation,&quot; he says. &quot;I read it in a single sitting, and then I reread it.&quot; As late as 1999, he testified to Congress about &quot;what will be possible when we learn to build things at the ultimate level of control, one atom at a time.&quot;</p>
<p>But doubts crept in as Smalley pondered the theory. &quot;For months I said to myself, How could we have missed this? Is it really possible to do chemistry in this way? After a while I thought I saw what might be some problems. The more I thought about it, the more troublesome they appeared. Finally I ended up thinking, it&#39;s just hopeless.&quot;</p>
<p>Smalley recalls a meeting he arranged with Drexler at Stanford about a decade ago. &quot;I wanted to talk about the tip,&quot; he says, referring to the business end of Drexler&#39;s machines. &quot;I love the idea of the assembler. So I tried to drag him into a conversation about the tip, and he stonewalled. It was as if the tip was a job for later.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1626#comment-4610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Strange&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been wondering about that myself for some time. It&#039;s certainly been a dramatic U-Turn for him. He is very hostile to his old position but only seems to offer hand waving arguments and wishy washy metaphores. There&#039;s definately something strange going on there. Its almost like a self denial.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I&#39;ve been wondering about that myself for some time. It&#39;s certainly been a dramatic U-Turn for him. He is very hostile to his old position but only seems to offer hand waving arguments and wishy washy metaphores. There&#39;s definately something strange going on there. Its almost like a self denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Kadamose</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1626#comment-4609</link>
		<dc:creator>Kadamose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;He changed his mind because of two words.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Illuminati. I&#039;m not ready to forfeit my life at this time - so that&#039;s all I&#039;ll say.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>He changed his mind because of two words.</strong></p>
<p>The Illuminati. I&#39;m not ready to forfeit my life at this time &#8211; so that&#39;s all I&#39;ll say.</p>
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