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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4795</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Nanotechnology is the key to tapping ZPE&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once again, paranoic, frantically self dillusional &quot;wisdom&quot; comes from the mind of the &quot;great&quot; Kadamose. Ah yes, the masses, &quot;people&quot;, listen to the VERY serious voice of reason!!&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Once again, paranoic, frantically self dillusional &quot;wisdom&quot; comes from the mind of the &quot;great&quot; Kadamose. Ah yes, the masses, &quot;people&quot;, listen to the VERY serious voice of reason!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4794</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Hello? E=mc2&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Boyer, TH (1976),&quot;Equilibrium of random classicalelectromagnetic radiation in the presence of a nonrelativistic nonlinear electric dipole oscillator,&quot; Physics Review D 13 (10), pages 2832-45&quot; Couple that with the facts that won T D Lee the Nobel Prize for physics in 1957 which showed that the broken symmetry of the quantum vacuum pours energy into three dimensional dipolar space, and I&#039;d say that is a mere fraction of the vast evidence in support of the usability of the ZPE.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;Boyer, TH (1976),&quot;Equilibrium of random classicalelectromagnetic radiation in the presence of a nonrelativistic nonlinear electric dipole oscillator,&quot; Physics Review D 13 (10), pages 2832-45&quot; Couple that with the facts that won T D Lee the Nobel Prize for physics in 1957 which showed that the broken symmetry of the quantum vacuum pours energy into three dimensional dipolar space, and I&#39;d say that is a mere fraction of the vast evidence in support of the usability of the ZPE.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4797</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Eternal Universe/Multi-verse&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m guessing English isn&#039;t your first language. Either that, or you need to increase your meds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or both.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I&#39;m guessing English isn&#39;t your first language. Either that, or you need to increase your meds.</p>
<p>Or both.</p>
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		<title>By: Kadamose</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4793</link>
		<dc:creator>Kadamose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Hello? E=mc2&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Over-unity from ZPE is the reason why the universe is exponentially expanding. It is also what causes gravity and inertia. If you don&#039;t think that&#039;s &#039;tremendous&#039;, then I don&#039;t think anything will phase you.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Over-unity from ZPE is the reason why the universe is exponentially expanding. It is also what causes gravity and inertia. If you don&#39;t think that&#39;s &#39;tremendous&#39;, then I don&#39;t think anything will phase you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chemisor</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4781</link>
		<dc:creator>Chemisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Prove the uncertainty principle first&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt; You need to look into such things as lasing without inversion&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
LWI has nothing to do with the uncertainty principle. It simply involves priming the lasing cavity with another laser to do something to the atoms there that prevents absorption. Not being a physicist, I wasn&#039;t able to figure out what exactly is happening and apparently neither were the authors of the experiments. We&#039;ll just have to wait until someone can.&lt;br /&gt;
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&gt; the work of Boyer&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyer simply proposed quantum fluctuations, he did not perform any experiments to prove their existence.&lt;br /&gt;
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&gt; Aharanov Bohm experiment (which proves the reality&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; of the quantum potentials. Not merely the fields.)&lt;br /&gt;
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The experiment involves moving the interference pattern in the electron double slit experiment with a solenoid. I already know electrons are affected by the magnetic field - that&#039;s how your computer monitor works. I don&#039;t see any &quot;quantum potentials&quot; here, although you are free to treat the math that way if you want.&lt;br /&gt;
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&gt; Overunity from the zero point radiation is a standard fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then perhaps you should &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phact.org/e/freefaq.htm&quot;&gt;collect the $10000 prize&lt;/a&gt; offered for demonstrating it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re:Prove the uncertainty principle first</strong></p>
<p>&gt; You need to look into such things as lasing without inversion</p>
<p>LWI has nothing to do with the uncertainty principle. It simply involves priming the lasing cavity with another laser to do something to the atoms there that prevents absorption. Not being a physicist, I wasn&#39;t able to figure out what exactly is happening and apparently neither were the authors of the experiments. We&#39;ll just have to wait until someone can.</p>
<p>&gt; the work of Boyer</p>
<p>Boyer simply proposed quantum fluctuations, he did not perform any experiments to prove their existence.</p>
<p>&gt; Aharanov Bohm experiment (which proves the reality<br />
&gt; of the quantum potentials. Not merely the fields.)</p>
<p>The experiment involves moving the interference pattern in the electron double slit experiment with a solenoid. I already know electrons are affected by the magnetic field &#8211; that&#39;s how your computer monitor works. I don&#39;t see any &quot;quantum potentials&quot; here, although you are free to treat the math that way if you want.</p>
<p>&gt; Overunity from the zero point radiation is a standard fact.</p>
<p>Then perhaps you should <a href="http://www.phact.org/e/freefaq.htm">collect the $10000 prize</a> offered for demonstrating it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chemisor</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4792</link>
		<dc:creator>Chemisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hello? E=mc2&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt; and a mere one cubic centimeter of space contains&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; enough that if it were to be converted into mass,&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; it would be greater than the solar system&lt;br /&gt;
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Haven&#039;t you heard of E=mc^2? With 220 ergs/cc you&#039;d be able to create 2.45e-22 kg of matter, or about 147000 protons. Did you forget the sign in the exponent, dear? There is also the question of how fast you can get those 220 ergs out, just how much energy you&#039;d be able to get before it runs out, and whether it can be done at all. And if you say &quot;unlimited&quot; one more time, I&#039;ll smack you. There is no experimental evidence for ZPE whatsoever, much less for it being &quot;tremendous&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&gt; and a mere one cubic centimeter of space contains<br />
&gt; enough that if it were to be converted into mass,<br />
&gt; it would be greater than the solar system</p>
<p>Haven&#39;t you heard of E=mc^2? With 220 ergs/cc you&#39;d be able to create 2.45e-22 kg of matter, or about 147000 protons. Did you forget the sign in the exponent, dear? There is also the question of how fast you can get those 220 ergs out, just how much energy you&#39;d be able to get before it runs out, and whether it can be done at all. And if you say &quot;unlimited&quot; one more time, I&#39;ll smack you. There is no experimental evidence for ZPE whatsoever, much less for it being &quot;tremendous&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: jayakar</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4796</link>
		<dc:creator>jayakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Eternal Universe/Multi-verse&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On expressing the matter as the duality of potency and mass, the Universe/Multi-verse is the origin of sustained cycle of regeneration and degeneration of its Heterogeneous-matters by self-regulating self-assembly. Hence the Nanoscience to be objected for the explorations on the relativity between energy and potency, that express the eternity of Universe/Multi-verse.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>On expressing the matter as the duality of potency and mass, the Universe/Multi-verse is the origin of sustained cycle of regeneration and degeneration of its Heterogeneous-matters by self-regulating self-assembly. Hence the Nanoscience to be objected for the explorations on the relativity between energy and potency, that express the eternity of Universe/Multi-verse.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4791</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Some amusing numbers&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It comes down to this. The zero point radiation in the universe is tremendous, and a mere one cubic centimeter of space contains enough that if it were to be converted into mass, it would be greater than the solar system, somewhere along 10^80-10^120 grams of matter per CC, if it was converted. Even by harvesting a FRACTION of that, we could have _PRACTICALLY_ unlimited supplies of power. MNT and ZPE will most likely go hand in hand. Next topic: What is the best way to BOOTSTRAP NANO REPLICATORS, from where we are now?&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>It comes down to this. The zero point radiation in the universe is tremendous, and a mere one cubic centimeter of space contains enough that if it were to be converted into mass, it would be greater than the solar system, somewhere along 10^80-10^120 grams of matter per CC, if it was converted. Even by harvesting a FRACTION of that, we could have _PRACTICALLY_ unlimited supplies of power. MNT and ZPE will most likely go hand in hand. Next topic: What is the best way to BOOTSTRAP NANO REPLICATORS, from where we are now?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4780</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Prove the uncertainty principle first&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You need to look into such things as lasing without inversion, the work of Boyer, and many many others, as well as the Aharanov Bohm experiment (which proves the reality of the quantum potentials. Not merely the fields.) Overunity from the zero point radiation is a standard fact.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>You need to look into such things as lasing without inversion, the work of Boyer, and many many others, as well as the Aharanov Bohm experiment (which proves the reality of the quantum potentials. Not merely the fields.) Overunity from the zero point radiation is a standard fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Chemisor</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=1719#comment-4790</link>
		<dc:creator>Chemisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Some amusing numbers&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/BoiLu.shtml&quot;&gt;Average US household energy usage&lt;/a&gt; is about 1kW. 220 ergs/mL is 22 J/m3. At 22 W/m3 the power generator would need to be 45 cubic meters in volume at 100% efficiency. With a more realistic 10% efficiency, 450 cubic meters. Naturally, this does not include any structures you&#039;d need to actually capture and convert the power. In comparison, my house has a volume of ~800 cubic meters, including basement and attic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From Wikipedia, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power)&quot;&gt;total US power consumption&lt;/a&gt; is 3.327 TW (2001), and that of the world is 13.5 TW. Using 220 erg/mL/sec and 10% efficiency, the necessary volumes are 1.5e12 and 6.1e12 cubic meters respectively. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28volume%29&quot;&gt;volume of Lake Superior&lt;/a&gt; is about 12.2e12 cubic meters.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p><a href="http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/BoiLu.shtml">Average US household energy usage</a> is about 1kW. 220 ergs/mL is 22 J/m3. At 22 W/m3 the power generator would need to be 45 cubic meters in volume at 100% efficiency. With a more realistic 10% efficiency, 450 cubic meters. Naturally, this does not include any structures you&#39;d need to actually capture and convert the power. In comparison, my house has a volume of ~800 cubic meters, including basement and attic.</p>
<p>From Wikipedia, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power)">total US power consumption</a> is 3.327 TW (2001), and that of the world is 13.5 TW. Using 220 erg/mL/sec and 10% efficiency, the necessary volumes are 1.5e12 and 6.1e12 cubic meters respectively. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28volume%29">volume of Lake Superior</a> is about 12.2e12 cubic meters.</p>
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