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	<title>Comments on: Nanotechnology: World Council of Churches promotes UN approval required for all new technologies</title>
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		<title>By: Christine Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-340523</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jaydee -- About your last point: to me it just doesn&#039;t make sense to call for a moratorium on research.  Research is how we establish safety.  One does not commercialize a product via research; commercialization is a different process.  Thanks for participating!  —Christine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jaydee &#8212; About your last point: to me it just doesn&#8217;t make sense to call for a moratorium on research.  Research is how we establish safety.  One does not commercialize a product via research; commercialization is a different process.  Thanks for participating!  —Christine</p>
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		<title>By: Jaydee Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-339790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaydee Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the joys of attending World Council Fora on science and technology is that so many of the participants are well informed on both the science and ethics of the issues.  It is clear to me that most other countries do not share the high trust in science that we have in the US. But I think this is changing in the US, too.  As various parts of science become seen as a part of an industry, the trust the public has in them is declining.   The recent scandal in Washington wherein a regulator and a guardian of the public&#039;s funds actually stole human tissues and gave them to a drug company that he was consulting for is the kind of thing that diminishes public trust. When the NIH insists that it scientists need weaker conflict of interest standards than members of Congress, that diminishes public trust in science.  It is not surprising that at the same time, that the trust of non-governmental groups related to the environment is increasing in the religious community. A recent Pew Poll found the even white evangelicals--a rather conservative group, more than half of them support environmentalists. Among Catholics the support is 70 percent, higher than the 63 percent support from the general public.

The support of the WCC for democratic governance of science does not mean some odd majority takes all vote and Christians would be excluded, but rather than the world council thinks that democratic reasoning together is a better way to regulate science than letting scientists with an economic interest in their work regulate themselves.

Finally, I don&#039;t think the Council means to call for a moratorium on all nanotech research, but rather that research intended to commercialize nano products before safety is established.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the joys of attending World Council Fora on science and technology is that so many of the participants are well informed on both the science and ethics of the issues.  It is clear to me that most other countries do not share the high trust in science that we have in the US. But I think this is changing in the US, too.  As various parts of science become seen as a part of an industry, the trust the public has in them is declining.   The recent scandal in Washington wherein a regulator and a guardian of the public&#8217;s funds actually stole human tissues and gave them to a drug company that he was consulting for is the kind of thing that diminishes public trust. When the NIH insists that it scientists need weaker conflict of interest standards than members of Congress, that diminishes public trust in science.  It is not surprising that at the same time, that the trust of non-governmental groups related to the environment is increasing in the religious community. A recent Pew Poll found the even white evangelicals&#8211;a rather conservative group, more than half of them support environmentalists. Among Catholics the support is 70 percent, higher than the 63 percent support from the general public.</p>
<p>The support of the WCC for democratic governance of science does not mean some odd majority takes all vote and Christians would be excluded, but rather than the world council thinks that democratic reasoning together is a better way to regulate science than letting scientists with an economic interest in their work regulate themselves.</p>
<p>Finally, I don&#8217;t think the Council means to call for a moratorium on all nanotech research, but rather that research intended to commercialize nano products before safety is established.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-336930</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jaydee -- Thanks for commenting.  I agree that it would be better if people signed their comments with their real names.  As I mention above, the comments on this post are unusual for Nanodot.

One reason to post the more strongly-worded comments is that we all need to know that there are people who apparently feel very strongly on this issue.  I had no idea that WCC was so controversial in some circles, and I bet many Nanodot readers also did not know this.

I would be interested in hearing your response to the original post.  —Christine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jaydee &#8212; Thanks for commenting.  I agree that it would be better if people signed their comments with their real names.  As I mention above, the comments on this post are unusual for Nanodot.</p>
<p>One reason to post the more strongly-worded comments is that we all need to know that there are people who apparently feel very strongly on this issue.  I had no idea that WCC was so controversial in some circles, and I bet many Nanodot readers also did not know this.</p>
<p>I would be interested in hearing your response to the original post.  —Christine</p>
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		<title>By: Jaydee Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-336497</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaydee Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine:

I was at the World Council of Churches&#039; meeting in February 2007 that approved this document. I can not imagine that you would allow to be posted language about other groups that essentially amounts to hate speech. I find it cowardly that the respondents do not post their names. I have represented the United Methodist Church on several World Council of Churches taskforces.  The level of ethical and religious reflection has been quite high.  The council takes seriously the views of its many different faith groups ranging from Orthodox churches to Quaker groups.   I don&#039;t believe that Communist groups start and end every meeting with prayer and work hard to debate the theological and ethical implications of their policy. The council has sent representatives to the various meetings of the United Nations since the UN&#039;s inception, so it is not surprising that the Council would support UN regulation of nanotechnologies.

Jaydee Hanson, Director for Human Genetics and Nanotechnology Policy, International Center for Technology Assessment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine:</p>
<p>I was at the World Council of Churches&#8217; meeting in February 2007 that approved this document. I can not imagine that you would allow to be posted language about other groups that essentially amounts to hate speech. I find it cowardly that the respondents do not post their names. I have represented the United Methodist Church on several World Council of Churches taskforces.  The level of ethical and religious reflection has been quite high.  The council takes seriously the views of its many different faith groups ranging from Orthodox churches to Quaker groups.   I don&#8217;t believe that Communist groups start and end every meeting with prayer and work hard to debate the theological and ethical implications of their policy. The council has sent representatives to the various meetings of the United Nations since the UN&#8217;s inception, so it is not surprising that the Council would support UN regulation of nanotechnologies.</p>
<p>Jaydee Hanson, Director for Human Genetics and Nanotechnology Policy, International Center for Technology Assessment</p>
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		<title>By: drakel55</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-53629</link>
		<dc:creator>drakel55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with the WCC, all they are trying to do is turn the world back into the dark ages. How long until they want to make another comitee to decide wherther to disband certain types of technology.Hopefully the UN relizes this is craziness and stops it in it&#039;s tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with the WCC, all they are trying to do is turn the world back into the dark ages. How long until they want to make another comitee to decide wherther to disband certain types of technology.Hopefully the UN relizes this is craziness and stops it in it&#8217;s tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-51010</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam -- Don&#039;t be too concerned with the political comments on this post.  They are unusual; I think they are from readers of a more political blog who linked to this item.  --Christine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8212; Don&#8217;t be too concerned with the political comments on this post.  They are unusual; I think they are from readers of a more political blog who linked to this item.  &#8211;Christine</p>
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		<title>By: Abelard</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-50997</link>
		<dc:creator>Abelard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The World Council of Churches has nothing to do with Christianity.  It is a crypto-liberal-internationalist organization.  Please do not confuse this statement with Christian ethics.  The Christian position on any new technology depends on whether it improves the quality of peoples lives.  (This is not the same as whether it improves the economy).  It is not possible to take such a stance across such a broad field as nanotechnology, and even if it was, it is well known that bureaucracies are not effective regulators, and the UN is a particularaly corrupt example of the species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The World Council of Churches has nothing to do with Christianity.  It is a crypto-liberal-internationalist organization.  Please do not confuse this statement with Christian ethics.  The Christian position on any new technology depends on whether it improves the quality of peoples lives.  (This is not the same as whether it improves the economy).  It is not possible to take such a stance across such a broad field as nanotechnology, and even if it was, it is well known that bureaucracies are not effective regulators, and the UN is a particularaly corrupt example of the species.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-50880</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine,

I&#039;ve been reading this feed for a few months now.  This article is the first I&#039;ve seen to garner such heated responses from readers.  I would almost venture to label a few of those responses as flame-bait.  

Personally, I enjoy reading the opinions of others.  I understand you have no control over the news that happens in the “nanosphere.”  However, I&#039;m curious if other similar articles have elicited had similar responses.  If so, would you agree that we&#039;re straying away from discussion of the ethical merits of nanotechnology?  Certainly things can be said about the UN or WCC, but on the Foresight forums those comments hardly seem relevant.  

If you refer back to the discussion about a Nano hazard label, that discussion was both relevant and informative.  I think that&#039;s where we should focus our energies, rather than turning this into a politically polarized you-tube blog (maybe that was flame-bait too?)  I enjoy these discussions and would hate to see them lose direction because of a few politically driven comments.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading this feed for a few months now.  This article is the first I&#8217;ve seen to garner such heated responses from readers.  I would almost venture to label a few of those responses as flame-bait.  </p>
<p>Personally, I enjoy reading the opinions of others.  I understand you have no control over the news that happens in the “nanosphere.”  However, I&#8217;m curious if other similar articles have elicited had similar responses.  If so, would you agree that we&#8217;re straying away from discussion of the ethical merits of nanotechnology?  Certainly things can be said about the UN or WCC, but on the Foresight forums those comments hardly seem relevant.  </p>
<p>If you refer back to the discussion about a Nano hazard label, that discussion was both relevant and informative.  I think that&#8217;s where we should focus our energies, rather than turning this into a politically polarized you-tube blog (maybe that was flame-bait too?)  I enjoy these discussions and would hate to see them lose direction because of a few politically driven comments.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: John Novak</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-50868</link>
		<dc:creator>John Novak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving aside any mention of the UN, and independent of left- and right- oriented politics (according to the typical US definitions) let me make the following point:

Be very wary of groups trying to peddle the notion that there must be broadbased debate and democratic action before the development and deployment of this- that- or the other.  TYpically, these groups want anything but, and directly and willfully bend the terms out of their historical and legal context.  Democracy generally means majority rule, but if you scratch the surface on these groups, you&#039;ll find that the details are usually calling for effective unanimity-- the idea is that the debate has to end before we do things, and the debate is never ended as long as someone, somewhere, is vocally objecting.  These objections can be maintained indefinitely.

This is becoming a standard tactic for many political groups on both the right (stem cells) and the left (genetic modifications to food.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving aside any mention of the UN, and independent of left- and right- oriented politics (according to the typical US definitions) let me make the following point:</p>
<p>Be very wary of groups trying to peddle the notion that there must be broadbased debate and democratic action before the development and deployment of this- that- or the other.  TYpically, these groups want anything but, and directly and willfully bend the terms out of their historical and legal context.  Democracy generally means majority rule, but if you scratch the surface on these groups, you&#8217;ll find that the details are usually calling for effective unanimity&#8211; the idea is that the debate has to end before we do things, and the debate is never ended as long as someone, somewhere, is vocally objecting.  These objections can be maintained indefinitely.</p>
<p>This is becoming a standard tactic for many political groups on both the right (stem cells) and the left (genetic modifications to food.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2345#comment-50824</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man you guys are reactionary... 

I see nothing wrong with citizens of a country wanting democratic input on TAXPAYER funded research in universaries which is what they are discussing.

But maybe we should wait until after gray goo self replicates the entire planet and then we can debate it from inside their nano &quot;stomaches&quot;?

Bleh... a pox on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man you guys are reactionary&#8230; </p>
<p>I see nothing wrong with citizens of a country wanting democratic input on TAXPAYER funded research in universaries which is what they are discussing.</p>
<p>But maybe we should wait until after gray goo self replicates the entire planet and then we can debate it from inside their nano &#8220;stomaches&#8221;?</p>
<p>Bleh&#8230; a pox on you!</p>
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