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		<title>By: PatGratton</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Upgrade to v0.2&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;New versions of Transtech Map and Transtech Questions are available:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Transtech &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grist.org/articles/00.10.03_Transtech_Questions.html&quot;&gt;Questions&lt;/a&gt; changes&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;Borganism -&gt; Group Minds&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;Add &quot;Sovereign AI&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
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		<title>By: PatGratton</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatGratton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:borganisms?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agreed. I&#039;ll change this to &quot;Group Minds&quot; in the next version.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Agreed. I&#39;ll change this to &quot;Group Minds&quot; in the next version.</p>
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		<title>By: samantha</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;borganisms?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can we please switch this catchy but quite derogatory name to something else like &quot;group minds&quot;, &quot;hives&quot; or some such? We want to avoid prejudicing the discussion of possible future developments. The Borg are a pretty poor and deliberate scary variant.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Can we please switch this catchy but quite derogatory name to something else like &quot;group minds&quot;, &quot;hives&quot; or some such? We want to avoid prejudicing the discussion of possible future developments. The Borg are a pretty poor and deliberate scary variant.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnAMontgomery</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2000 01:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:It&#039;s the Stupid Political System, Stupid&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also find it troubling the lack of any organized political movement with those of the pro technologies wing. I understand that small political groups tend to be quite ineffectual in the American political system. But we should create a political face if for any reason to counter balance views of such politically motivated organizations such as Turning Point. I feel in a certain way we have been politically riding the coattails of politically empowered groups such as big tech companies and the lobbyists of the aging baby boomers. But the interests of these groups will not and do not always agree with the rest of us. We should create a political face. One that should look for allies in the political arena to further the responsible development of technologies in order to have a positive future. Also such a political body could explore the possibilities of founding a new society based upon the foundation of being highly technologically enabled. And being capable of exploiting the advantages of new technologies as they emerge much quicker than large nations with obsolete government systems. Also in a nanotech mature world all nation states regardless of size will be equally powerful and not dependent on any others in order to survive. So it would be wise to consider what type of society we would like to live in and is the United State able to provide a home for that society in the future. I feel such considerations go hand in hand with positive development of nanotechnology.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I also find it troubling the lack of any organized political movement with those of the pro technologies wing. I understand that small political groups tend to be quite ineffectual in the American political system. But we should create a political face if for any reason to counter balance views of such politically motivated organizations such as Turning Point. I feel in a certain way we have been politically riding the coattails of politically empowered groups such as big tech companies and the lobbyists of the aging baby boomers. But the interests of these groups will not and do not always agree with the rest of us. We should create a political face. One that should look for allies in the political arena to further the responsible development of technologies in order to have a positive future. Also such a political body could explore the possibilities of founding a new society based upon the foundation of being highly technologically enabled. And being capable of exploiting the advantages of new technologies as they emerge much quicker than large nations with obsolete government systems. Also in a nanotech mature world all nation states regardless of size will be equally powerful and not dependent on any others in order to survive. So it would be wise to consider what type of society we would like to live in and is the United State able to provide a home for that society in the future. I feel such considerations go hand in hand with positive development of nanotechnology.</p>
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		<title>By: pshropshire</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2000 05:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It&#039;s the Stupid Political System, Stupid&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Name: Philip Shropshire&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
sites: www.majic12.com and www.threerivertechreview.com.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#237;t think that I&#237;m qualified to comment on some of the tech questions, but I actually do have some thoughts on what the future of politics should look like. It seems to me, as an observer of the tech scene, that tech types don&#237;t really take a very deep look at the political world. My own personal take on this is that tech people should hack into political structures with the same fervor that they attack code.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My initial reaction to all of these questions, in fact, is that things will generally go very badly under our current system of political discourse..&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For argument&#237;s sake, let&#237;s just assume that the United States is the government in place over the people who first create the first great tech singularity&#243;whether that&#237;s a working assembler created from the Pentagon Black Budget or someone who evolves genetic computing into something that can pass a Turing test. I know Japan has a couple of Manhattan Style projects in the works and there is the question of whether certain multinationals like IBM or Xerox constitute their own international nation states, but I&#237;m trying to keep this simple (for myself mostly.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
First, the United States Political System is hopelessly and perhaps fatally corrupt. It&#237;s run by two factions of the Big Business Party which differs only slightly on the bigger issues of the day. People don&#237;t vote because they&#237;re stupid, they don&#237;t vote because they see very little substantive difference between the candidates and they also know their vote every couple of years means nothing against the daily favors provided by big lobbyists and campaign contributors. Its kind of a top down system geared for the benefits of elites and to the detriment of the masses. The kind of centrist, say nothing candidates is a direct result of a system that tends to favor those kinds of results. To paraphrase a popular catchphrase: It&#237;s the stupid political system, stupid. At the time of its founding more than 200 years ago, our system was probably cutting edge. Now, thanks to the work of Lani Guinier, it can be stated that we could and should do a whole lot better. In fact, when she was in effect censored from defending herself those many years ago, I had to find out more about her &quot;dangerous&quot; and &quot;seditious&quot; ideas. What I found out made me realize why power brokers didn&#237;t want her to have her say. But more on Guinier&#237;s ideas later.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The other problem with the government is that its just too damn slow to deal with tech issues and is way too vulnerable to being bribed by the offending parties. Just look at what&#237;s happening to Microsoft. By the time the Supreme Court gets around to making a call on whether Microsoft is a monopoly or not, we&#237;ll probably all have switched to computer pda devices where we use our sunglasses for display screens. All powered by Palm or Linux software by the way. Or Microsoft. Who knows. The government certainly isn&#237;t going to stop them. Bush pretty much said he&#237;d lay the heat off Microsoft if he wins, but now that the Software Kings are players now in money giving, it probably doesn&#237;t matter who wins.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Imagine, if you will, the government&#237;s equally slow response to assembler tech if it&#237;s ever perfected. We would all be assimilated before a single court could even look at the case. Now, like most readers of this site I&#237;m not a huge fan of the writings of Bill Joy, but the kind of slow government we have is completely unable to deal with these kinds of vast changes. Joy&#237;s warnings make sense in that kind of context.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So what do you if you have a corrupt government that thrives on what Lani Guinier calls the &quot;Tyranny of the Majorities&quot;? Well, on the one hand you have to work within. You have to do public relations. You have to counter those Turning Point ads, which are the ideological underpinnings of the folks who eventually would like to tell you to just stop what you&#237;re doing. You have to pick between two candidates, who regardless of what you actually think of them, are driven by corrupted parties.. And you have to live by a higher ethical code. For example, maybe it&#237;s not a good idea to do research on selective and deadly nan no matter how much naval intelligence or the military gives you in grant money.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the other hand, in a strictly thinking outside of the box kind of mode, why not create new societies with better democratic systems? I think Sealand is the first real hint of this. If you can create a nation that is composed of an old oil platform, why not one composed of a moving fleet of luxury ocean liners? Or why not pull out those old Marshall Savage ideas and see if you can actually build ocean habitats. But most importantly you could create societies that aren&#237;t built on old, military command style hierarchies, but democratic networks. How about a society that allows national referendums on important issues? How about allowing computerized voting on important issues like RU 486 or where the first assembler experiments will be held? How about letting citizens vote on all national issues that they find important?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The answers to most of these questions will end very badly in our current system. The only solution is to create new and better political systems for smarter societies&#214;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Of course offworld is the ideal. And who knows maybe NASA&#237;s gravity shielding will work and if space becomes affordable then I say let&#237;s leave. And let&#237;s not emulate the dumb old politics of old earth. Let&#237;s study the Friere, the Guinier, and the idea of networked democracy and let&#237;s create better institutions for the stars.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Name: Philip Shropshire</p>
<p>sites: <a href="http://www.majic12.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.majic12.com</a> and <a href="http://www.threerivertechreview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.threerivertechreview.com</a>.</p>
<p>I don&iacute;t think that I&iacute;m qualified to comment on some of the tech questions, but I actually do have some thoughts on what the future of politics should look like. It seems to me, as an observer of the tech scene, that tech types don&iacute;t really take a very deep look at the political world. My own personal take on this is that tech people should hack into political structures with the same fervor that they attack code.</p>
<p>My initial reaction to all of these questions, in fact, is that things will generally go very badly under our current system of political discourse..</p>
<p>For argument&iacute;s sake, let&iacute;s just assume that the United States is the government in place over the people who first create the first great tech singularity&oacute;whether that&iacute;s a working assembler created from the Pentagon Black Budget or someone who evolves genetic computing into something that can pass a Turing test. I know Japan has a couple of Manhattan Style projects in the works and there is the question of whether certain multinationals like IBM or Xerox constitute their own international nation states, but I&iacute;m trying to keep this simple (for myself mostly.)</p>
<p>First, the United States Political System is hopelessly and perhaps fatally corrupt. It&iacute;s run by two factions of the Big Business Party which differs only slightly on the bigger issues of the day. People don&iacute;t vote because they&iacute;re stupid, they don&iacute;t vote because they see very little substantive difference between the candidates and they also know their vote every couple of years means nothing against the daily favors provided by big lobbyists and campaign contributors. Its kind of a top down system geared for the benefits of elites and to the detriment of the masses. The kind of centrist, say nothing candidates is a direct result of a system that tends to favor those kinds of results. To paraphrase a popular catchphrase: It&iacute;s the stupid political system, stupid. At the time of its founding more than 200 years ago, our system was probably cutting edge. Now, thanks to the work of Lani Guinier, it can be stated that we could and should do a whole lot better. In fact, when she was in effect censored from defending herself those many years ago, I had to find out more about her &quot;dangerous&quot; and &quot;seditious&quot; ideas. What I found out made me realize why power brokers didn&iacute;t want her to have her say. But more on Guinier&iacute;s ideas later.</p>
<p>The other problem with the government is that its just too damn slow to deal with tech issues and is way too vulnerable to being bribed by the offending parties. Just look at what&iacute;s happening to Microsoft. By the time the Supreme Court gets around to making a call on whether Microsoft is a monopoly or not, we&iacute;ll probably all have switched to computer pda devices where we use our sunglasses for display screens. All powered by Palm or Linux software by the way. Or Microsoft. Who knows. The government certainly isn&iacute;t going to stop them. Bush pretty much said he&iacute;d lay the heat off Microsoft if he wins, but now that the Software Kings are players now in money giving, it probably doesn&iacute;t matter who wins.</p>
<p>Imagine, if you will, the government&iacute;s equally slow response to assembler tech if it&iacute;s ever perfected. We would all be assimilated before a single court could even look at the case. Now, like most readers of this site I&iacute;m not a huge fan of the writings of Bill Joy, but the kind of slow government we have is completely unable to deal with these kinds of vast changes. Joy&iacute;s warnings make sense in that kind of context.</p>
<p>So what do you if you have a corrupt government that thrives on what Lani Guinier calls the &quot;Tyranny of the Majorities&quot;? Well, on the one hand you have to work within. You have to do public relations. You have to counter those Turning Point ads, which are the ideological underpinnings of the folks who eventually would like to tell you to just stop what you&iacute;re doing. You have to pick between two candidates, who regardless of what you actually think of them, are driven by corrupted parties.. And you have to live by a higher ethical code. For example, maybe it&iacute;s not a good idea to do research on selective and deadly nan no matter how much naval intelligence or the military gives you in grant money.</p>
<p>On the other hand, in a strictly thinking outside of the box kind of mode, why not create new societies with better democratic systems? I think Sealand is the first real hint of this. If you can create a nation that is composed of an old oil platform, why not one composed of a moving fleet of luxury ocean liners? Or why not pull out those old Marshall Savage ideas and see if you can actually build ocean habitats. But most importantly you could create societies that aren&iacute;t built on old, military command style hierarchies, but democratic networks. How about a society that allows national referendums on important issues? How about allowing computerized voting on important issues like RU 486 or where the first assembler experiments will be held? How about letting citizens vote on all national issues that they find important?</p>
<p>The answers to most of these questions will end very badly in our current system. The only solution is to create new and better political systems for smarter societies&Ouml;</p>
<p>Of course offworld is the ideal. And who knows maybe NASA&iacute;s gravity shielding will work and if space becomes affordable then I say let&iacute;s leave. And let&iacute;s not emulate the dumb old politics of old earth. Let&iacute;s study the Friere, the Guinier, and the idea of networked democracy and let&iacute;s create better institutions for the stars.</p>
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