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	<title>Comments on: Distributed Client for Protein Folding</title>
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		<title>By: BryanFullerton</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Computational requirements and related links&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href=&quot;http://entropia.com&quot;&gt;entropia.com&lt;/a&gt; for an existing large distributed network. Their proof-of-concept network is the backend for &lt;a href=&quot;http://mersenne.org&quot;&gt;The Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search&lt;/a&gt;. Newly activated second generation network is doing AIDS research using molecular modelling - see &lt;a href=&quot;http://fightaidsathome.org&quot;&gt;fightaidsathome.org&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The GIMPS clients have available source, except the actual client/server protocol, but so far the Entropia 2.0 clients have all been closed source (and, so far, all for Windows - sigh).&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re:Computational requirements and related links</strong></p>
<p>See <a href="http://entropia.com">entropia.com</a> for an existing large distributed network. Their proof-of-concept network is the backend for <a href="http://mersenne.org">The Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search</a>. Newly activated second generation network is doing AIDS research using molecular modelling &#8211; see <a href="http://fightaidsathome.org">fightaidsathome.org</a>.</p>
<p>The GIMPS clients have available source, except the actual client/server protocol, but so far the Entropia 2.0 clients have all been closed source (and, so far, all for Windows &#8211; sigh).</p>
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		<title>By: RobertBradbury</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Computational requirements and related links&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a Wired News article on this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39035,00.html&quot;&gt;Protein Fiends Join the Fold&lt;/a&gt;, which discusses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;c8&quot;&gt;&lt;tt&gt;Simple proteins assemble in about 10,000 nanoseconds, and one 400MHz computer can simulate 1 nanosecond of assembly time in about a day, Pande said. This means 1,000 participants would be needed to simulate a simple protein fold in 10 days, and that&#039;s just for simple folds. More complex proteins can take far longer.&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, as I commented in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/Proposals/NanoAtHome.html&quot;&gt;Nano@Home proposal&lt;/a&gt; , this is much more expensive than the evolving design of simple nanoparts, where a single machine can do all of the necessary computations. It does mean however, that if enough people get involved in Nano@Home, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://foldingathome.stanford.edu&quot;&gt;Folding@Home&lt;/a&gt; algorithms may provide a path for NanoSimulations@Home to test nanoparts aggregated into nanomachines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One observer on Slashdot pointed out the code being released, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/&quot;&gt;SETI@Home&lt;/a&gt;, is binary. While it is coming from an academic lab, some people and corporations &lt;em&gt;will not&lt;/em&gt; run it because they cannot verify it is secure. Perhaps after some of their papers are published, they may make it open source. One can hope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a positive direction, they reveal work of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mithral.com/products/cs-sdk/&quot;&gt;Mithral Client-Server SDK&lt;/a&gt; which could enable a more rapid development of distributed nanomodeling projects.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>There is a Wired News article on this: <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39035,00.html">Protein Fiends Join the Fold</a>, which discusses:</p>
<div class="c8"><tt>Simple proteins assemble in about 10,000 nanoseconds, and one 400MHz computer can simulate 1 nanosecond of assembly time in about a day, Pande said. This means 1,000 participants would be needed to simulate a simple protein fold in 10 days, and that&#39;s just for simple folds. More complex proteins can take far longer.</tt></div>
<p>So, as I commented in the <a href="http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/Proposals/NanoAtHome.html">Nano@Home proposal</a> , this is much more expensive than the evolving design of simple nanoparts, where a single machine can do all of the necessary computations. It does mean however, that if enough people get involved in Nano@Home, the <a href="http://foldingathome.stanford.edu">Folding@Home</a> algorithms may provide a path for NanoSimulations@Home to test nanoparts aggregated into nanomachines.</p>
<p>One observer on Slashdot pointed out the code being released, like <a href="http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/">SETI@Home</a>, is binary. While it is coming from an academic lab, some people and corporations <em>will not</em> run it because they cannot verify it is secure. Perhaps after some of their papers are published, they may make it open source. One can hope.</p>
<p>In a positive direction, they reveal work of the <a href="http://www.mithral.com/products/cs-sdk/">Mithral Client-Server SDK</a> which could enable a more rapid development of distributed nanomodeling projects.</p>
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