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	<title>Comments on: Saudi Arabian nanotechnology: it&#8217;s different</title>
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		<title>By: Rich Corporal</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-876338</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Corporal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 15:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve been checking your blog for a while now, seems like everyday I learn something new :-) Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been checking your blog for a while now, seems like everyday I learn something new <img src='http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Makiko</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-455204</link>
		<dc:creator>Makiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you are mixing apples and oranges, let’s be clear: the lamentable situation of women in Saudi Arabia is not due to the country being a monarchy but because it’s an Islamic state. Not that I support the idea of a monarchy, but there is much wrong with the way you criticize it. 

Firstly, coming from a country where the wealth distribution is as distorted as in the US (1% of the population owns 33% of net worth but about 12% of the population live below the poverty line; which is the most unequal wealth distribution in any Western democracy), it is quite ironic that you point your finger at others, even if their wealth distribution is much more skewed (and you can lump all monarchies and dictatorships into that group). Without being a socialist, you could easily criticize the wealth distribution, and &quot;control of wealth and power&quot; in the US as well. Why do you feel you have to single out Saudi Arabia?

Secondly, what is the difference of someone being born into a very wealthy US family, who didn’t have to earn his/her money and is able to easily donate $10 or $20 million for a research institute and someone being born into the Saudi royal family doing the same? 

And lastly, it’s obviously easy as you do from far away – have you ever been in the region? -  to criticize the form of government in Saudi Arabia and “who controls the wealth and power” and that “we can question whether they should be getting so much of their country’s ongoing natural resources income.” But it’s much harder to come up with a better solution that has a realistic chance of working. That Western-style democracies don’t seem to work - and can’t be externally imposed - in the Middle East is amply demonstrated by Saudi Arabia’s neighbouring countries. I would be curious to know what your solution would be?

&lt;b&gt;Response: (1) Because it&#039;s worse.  And hey, we criticize various entities here (including the U.S.), not just Saudi Arabia.  (2) Because the wealthy person&#039;s family isn&#039;t holding onto political power using a threat of physical force. (3) Great question!  Whoever can answer it deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.  ;^)  —C&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you are mixing apples and oranges, let’s be clear: the lamentable situation of women in Saudi Arabia is not due to the country being a monarchy but because it’s an Islamic state. Not that I support the idea of a monarchy, but there is much wrong with the way you criticize it. </p>
<p>Firstly, coming from a country where the wealth distribution is as distorted as in the US (1% of the population owns 33% of net worth but about 12% of the population live below the poverty line; which is the most unequal wealth distribution in any Western democracy), it is quite ironic that you point your finger at others, even if their wealth distribution is much more skewed (and you can lump all monarchies and dictatorships into that group). Without being a socialist, you could easily criticize the wealth distribution, and &#8220;control of wealth and power&#8221; in the US as well. Why do you feel you have to single out Saudi Arabia?</p>
<p>Secondly, what is the difference of someone being born into a very wealthy US family, who didn’t have to earn his/her money and is able to easily donate $10 or $20 million for a research institute and someone being born into the Saudi royal family doing the same? </p>
<p>And lastly, it’s obviously easy as you do from far away – have you ever been in the region? &#8211;  to criticize the form of government in Saudi Arabia and “who controls the wealth and power” and that “we can question whether they should be getting so much of their country’s ongoing natural resources income.” But it’s much harder to come up with a better solution that has a realistic chance of working. That Western-style democracies don’t seem to work &#8211; and can’t be externally imposed &#8211; in the Middle East is amply demonstrated by Saudi Arabia’s neighbouring countries. I would be curious to know what your solution would be?</p>
<p><b>Response: (1) Because it&#8217;s worse.  And hey, we criticize various entities here (including the U.S.), not just Saudi Arabia.  (2) Because the wealthy person&#8217;s family isn&#8217;t holding onto political power using a threat of physical force. (3) Great question!  Whoever can answer it deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.  ;^)  —C</b></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-450570</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The origin of money doesn&#039;t taint it, you know - inherited wealth can be seen as an unfair privilege or an opportunity to do positive things. I congratulate the Prince on donating to nanotech research, rather than to &quot;defence and aviation&quot; for example. 

Sure, we&#039;d rather the new institute was set up under a different social regime, but funding science and innovation is historically a good way to help social changes along.

&lt;b&gt;Response: Hi Ben.  I agree with you on inherited wealth.  It can do great things.  In this case, though, the wealth of the Saudi monarchy is not just inherited, and we can question whether they should be getting so much of their country&#039;s ongoing natural resources income.  Also, in this case, the origin of the money does taint its use; for example, it affects whether women will be allowed to join the main research team.  Thanks for commenting!  --C&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The origin of money doesn&#8217;t taint it, you know &#8211; inherited wealth can be seen as an unfair privilege or an opportunity to do positive things. I congratulate the Prince on donating to nanotech research, rather than to &#8220;defence and aviation&#8221; for example. </p>
<p>Sure, we&#8217;d rather the new institute was set up under a different social regime, but funding science and innovation is historically a good way to help social changes along.</p>
<p><b>Response: Hi Ben.  I agree with you on inherited wealth.  It can do great things.  In this case, though, the wealth of the Saudi monarchy is not just inherited, and we can question whether they should be getting so much of their country&#8217;s ongoing natural resources income.  Also, in this case, the origin of the money does taint its use; for example, it affects whether women will be allowed to join the main research team.  Thanks for commenting!  &#8211;C</b></p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed bin al-Haram</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-447583</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammed bin al-Haram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure Holy Quran forbids the making of any device too small for Allah to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Holy Quran forbids the making of any device too small for Allah to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Godby</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-446658</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Godby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago I befriended a Gulf resident who had completed his PhD abroad. He had toyed with the idea of going back to the Gulf (but not Saudi--too strict) but eventually dumped it because, he said, nobody there does anything or produces anything; yes, he&#039;d earn a good income and have a pleasant relaxed life, but he knew his productivity as an engineer would shrivel to zero.

When nothing is expected or needed, nothing is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago I befriended a Gulf resident who had completed his PhD abroad. He had toyed with the idea of going back to the Gulf (but not Saudi&#8211;too strict) but eventually dumped it because, he said, nobody there does anything or produces anything; yes, he&#8217;d earn a good income and have a pleasant relaxed life, but he knew his productivity as an engineer would shrivel to zero.</p>
<p>When nothing is expected or needed, nothing is done.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-446578</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My college house mate, a chemist who finished his PhD at MIT, spent several years serving as a professor in a Saudi unieversity. I think it was this one:

http://www.kfupm.edu.sa/kfupm/about/about.asp

His position was terminated in favor of a Saudi national who had just finished a PhD at some equally prestigious US graduate program. The Saudis definitely have some domestic scientific talent, and have had little trouble hiring foreign researchers either. One wonders where this idea that a dearth of talen would pose a problem for the Saudis comes from?

Incidentally, his wife, who was working on a PhD in Ancient Near East Studies at Brandeis, chafed at the Saudi restrictions on women, but dealt with it by spending most of her time on archeolgical digs in the Mediterranean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My college house mate, a chemist who finished his PhD at MIT, spent several years serving as a professor in a Saudi unieversity. I think it was this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kfupm.edu.sa/kfupm/about/about.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.kfupm.edu.sa/kfupm/about/about.asp</a></p>
<p>His position was terminated in favor of a Saudi national who had just finished a PhD at some equally prestigious US graduate program. The Saudis definitely have some domestic scientific talent, and have had little trouble hiring foreign researchers either. One wonders where this idea that a dearth of talen would pose a problem for the Saudis comes from?</p>
<p>Incidentally, his wife, who was working on a PhD in Ancient Near East Studies at Brandeis, chafed at the Saudi restrictions on women, but dealt with it by spending most of her time on archeolgical digs in the Mediterranean.</p>
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		<title>By: GK</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-446496</link>
		<dc:creator>GK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scientists would be from India, Malaysia, Iran or Turkey.  They are paid quite a bit - a lot of expats do go live in Saudi Arabia, even if they have the choice of moving to the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scientists would be from India, Malaysia, Iran or Turkey.  They are paid quite a bit &#8211; a lot of expats do go live in Saudi Arabia, even if they have the choice of moving to the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Makiko</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-446481</link>
		<dc:creator>Makiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a ridiculous and culturally insensitive remark (coming from an American, of course).  Most people in the West would agree that monarchies are an anachronism . And yes, the human rights and women&#039;s rights situation there is appalling- but why does it matter who provides the funding for a nanotech institute? And, like it or not, some cultures work differently (Iraq anyone?). Besides, I didn&#039;t here you comment when a research institute in the UK gets named after the Queen, or the King of Sweden presents the Nobel Prize.

&lt;b&gt;Response to Makiko:  The reason that it matters who provides the funding for a nanotech institute is the same reason that it matters who owns and controls the oil wealth of Saudi Arabia.  When a research institute is named after the English Queen, or a King of Sweden presents a prize, it&#039;s symbolic, not because those individuals have extreme power or control over their country&#039;s natural resources. --Christine&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a ridiculous and culturally insensitive remark (coming from an American, of course).  Most people in the West would agree that monarchies are an anachronism . And yes, the human rights and women&#8217;s rights situation there is appalling- but why does it matter who provides the funding for a nanotech institute? And, like it or not, some cultures work differently (Iraq anyone?). Besides, I didn&#8217;t here you comment when a research institute in the UK gets named after the Queen, or the King of Sweden presents the Nobel Prize.</p>
<p><b>Response to Makiko:  The reason that it matters who provides the funding for a nanotech institute is the same reason that it matters who owns and controls the oil wealth of Saudi Arabia.  When a research institute is named after the English Queen, or a King of Sweden presents a prize, it&#8217;s symbolic, not because those individuals have extreme power or control over their country&#8217;s natural resources. &#8211;Christine</b></p>
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		<title>By: The Snob</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-446453</link>
		<dc:creator>The Snob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I always laugh at these plans to build &quot;world class&quot; research institutions in the middle of nowhere. It&#039;s hard enough getting someone to move from, say, MIT to RPI. On the whole I&#039;d have to say that the KSA is pretty high on my list of &quot;places to die before I see.&quot; OTOH I could see something like this making headway if it was in a place like Dubai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I always laugh at these plans to build &#8220;world class&#8221; research institutions in the middle of nowhere. It&#8217;s hard enough getting someone to move from, say, MIT to RPI. On the whole I&#8217;d have to say that the KSA is pretty high on my list of &#8220;places to die before I see.&#8221; OTOH I could see something like this making headway if it was in a place like Dubai.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2621#comment-446433</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you can also rule out Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can also rule out Jews.</p>
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