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		<title>By: Nanodot: Nanotechnology News and Discussion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Acolytes of neo-Malthusian Apocalypticism</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-841834</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanodot: Nanotechnology News and Discussion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Acolytes of neo-Malthusian Apocalypticism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But the pendulum has swung back and the acolytes of neo-Malthusian apocalypticism are again in full cry. In recent months the blogosphere has been echoing with claims that lo and behold, the Limits to Growth scenarios have been coming true over the past 30 years: A real-world analysis of a controversial prediction made 30 years ago concludes that economic growth cannot be sustained and we are on track for serious economic collapse this century. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But the pendulum has swung back and the acolytes of neo-Malthusian apocalypticism are again in full cry. In recent months the blogosphere has been echoing with claims that lo and behold, the Limits to Growth scenarios have been coming true over the past 30 years: A real-world analysis of a controversial prediction made 30 years ago concludes that economic growth cannot be sustained and we are on track for serious economic collapse this century. [...]</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-820774</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fertilizer extrapolation seemed plausible. of course nano fixes everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fertilizer extrapolation seemed plausible. of course nano fixes everything.</p>
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		<title>By: U.S. gasoline prices continue steady rise: survey (Reuters) — But As For Me</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-820027</link>
		<dc:creator>U.S. gasoline prices continue steady rise: survey (Reuters) — But As For Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nanodot: Nanotechnology News and Discussion » Blog Archive &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819703</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I don’t believe we will ever have an Apollo-style program for MNT, and I am no pessimist. The reason I say this is that the people who have the majority of wealth and power do not want to lose either. MNT will level the playing field for the rest of us, and they do not want that to happen.


Without MNT, those with wealth and power will lose it when they die.

Without MNT, almost everyone alive today will be dead in less than a century. With it, perhaps these people will live thousands of years with more &quot;wealth&quot; than they could possibly imagine.

Nanotechnology has the potential to greatly increase lifespans and eliminate poverty.

Assemblers powered by free solar energy will use open source plans to create anything we could want or need out of garbage.

Isn&#039;t that goal worth spending whatever it takes to get it as soon as possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t believe we will ever have an Apollo-style program for MNT, and I am no pessimist. The reason I say this is that the people who have the majority of wealth and power do not want to lose either. MNT will level the playing field for the rest of us, and they do not want that to happen.</p>
<p>Without MNT, those with wealth and power will lose it when they die.</p>
<p>Without MNT, almost everyone alive today will be dead in less than a century. With it, perhaps these people will live thousands of years with more &#8220;wealth&#8221; than they could possibly imagine.</p>
<p>Nanotechnology has the potential to greatly increase lifespans and eliminate poverty.</p>
<p>Assemblers powered by free solar energy will use open source plans to create anything we could want or need out of garbage.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that goal worth spending whatever it takes to get it as soon as possible?</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819578</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a lady who wrked at a library and brought home a lot of 50-year old popular mechanics magazines.  The headliners often never saw the light of day (although the autosled is amazingly like a snowmobile!), but often in the back pages was a quarter column on something that DID change the way things are.

Nevertheless, those who were born in the early 20th century and are still around, I believe are the generation that has seen the greatest revolution in the way Men live that has ever been seen or ever will be seen in history.  In 1900, few had electric lights.  You rose and went to bed with the sun, and most energy expenditures were still muscle power.  A 10th century man transported to 1890 would not see much a difference in the way most people lived in his time and the way they lived in 1890.  Move that same person ahead 100 years, and he would be lost.  

Now, I predict that you can take today&#039;s man and move him forward 500 years, and he will still be functional.  Yes, there will be dramatic technological changes.  But the basics of the way people live their lives will not be foreign to today&#039;s man.  We are contemplating nantotech today.  500 years from now, we may see it realized.  Todays man in 2500 would be enthralled, but he will NOT be surprised!  

The ability to disconnect our sleep cycle from the sun brought on by artificial light, the information age, the ability to have plentiful fresh food year round.  . . . These things have fundamentally changed the human way of existence far beyond all the groovy gadgets we&#039;ve got.  This sort of change happens very infrequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a lady who wrked at a library and brought home a lot of 50-year old popular mechanics magazines.  The headliners often never saw the light of day (although the autosled is amazingly like a snowmobile!), but often in the back pages was a quarter column on something that DID change the way things are.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, those who were born in the early 20th century and are still around, I believe are the generation that has seen the greatest revolution in the way Men live that has ever been seen or ever will be seen in history.  In 1900, few had electric lights.  You rose and went to bed with the sun, and most energy expenditures were still muscle power.  A 10th century man transported to 1890 would not see much a difference in the way most people lived in his time and the way they lived in 1890.  Move that same person ahead 100 years, and he would be lost.  </p>
<p>Now, I predict that you can take today&#8217;s man and move him forward 500 years, and he will still be functional.  Yes, there will be dramatic technological changes.  But the basics of the way people live their lives will not be foreign to today&#8217;s man.  We are contemplating nantotech today.  500 years from now, we may see it realized.  Todays man in 2500 would be enthralled, but he will NOT be surprised!  </p>
<p>The ability to disconnect our sleep cycle from the sun brought on by artificial light, the information age, the ability to have plentiful fresh food year round.  . . . These things have fundamentally changed the human way of existence far beyond all the groovy gadgets we&#8217;ve got.  This sort of change happens very infrequently.</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819573</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe we will ever have an Apollo-style program for MNT, and I am no pessimist. The reason I say this is that the people who have the majority of wealth and power do not want to lose either. MNT will level the playing field for the rest of us, and they do not want that to happen.

I think that the first assemblers will come from someone&#039;s garage or basement, similar to the way Bill Gates &quot;created&quot; Windows. This person or small group will probably be working at IBM or some similar entity, and move it to their own lab.

...my $0.02 - Bobbo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe we will ever have an Apollo-style program for MNT, and I am no pessimist. The reason I say this is that the people who have the majority of wealth and power do not want to lose either. MNT will level the playing field for the rest of us, and they do not want that to happen.</p>
<p>I think that the first assemblers will come from someone&#8217;s garage or basement, similar to the way Bill Gates &#8220;created&#8221; Windows. This person or small group will probably be working at IBM or some similar entity, and move it to their own lab.</p>
<p>&#8230;my $0.02 &#8211; Bobbo</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819527</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your response was much nicer than mine.  Maybe I should try to be more polite.

Sometime can you post about why you don&#039;t think that MNT is likely to lead to uncontrollable arms races or unfriendly AI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response was much nicer than mine.  Maybe I should try to be more polite.</p>
<p>Sometime can you post about why you don&#8217;t think that MNT is likely to lead to uncontrollable arms races or unfriendly AI?</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819500</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly urbanization could have some affect, but how do we know it isn&#039;t just increased willingness/effort to report crimes. Also,

&quot;the graph is confounded by lots of noise such as the enormous crime wave in the early part of the century caused by Prohibition.&quot;

Which clearly the current drug prohibitions create their own enormous crime wave; thus &quot;causing a lot of noise&quot; if future societies end those prohibitions, which some appear to be considering. 

Anyhow the amount pessimism seems to hard to measure, and I&#039;d say depends too much on where you get your news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly urbanization could have some affect, but how do we know it isn&#8217;t just increased willingness/effort to report crimes. Also,</p>
<p>&#8220;the graph is confounded by lots of noise such as the enormous crime wave in the early part of the century caused by Prohibition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which clearly the current drug prohibitions create their own enormous crime wave; thus &#8220;causing a lot of noise&#8221; if future societies end those prohibitions, which some appear to be considering. </p>
<p>Anyhow the amount pessimism seems to hard to measure, and I&#8217;d say depends too much on where you get your news.</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819497</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like to point out that probably most of the &quot;indictable offense&quot; problem regarded here is a problem of &lt;b&gt;reporting the crime&lt;/b&gt;. I&#039;d suggest that 1900&#039;s poor villages reported way less crimes than do today&#039;s cities, where it&#039;s way less to escape the society. I&#039;d say though that &quot;pessimism&quot; may be well correlated with this, because perception, not reality, is key.

To suggest, as the author does, that the 1900&#039;s village lifestyle was better than 2010&#039;s city&#039;s lifestyle, is to be gullible and susceptible to eden myths that never existed. As you put the graph reported crime rates, why not also put the expected lifespan? Was it the Doom&#039;nGloom zeitgeist? You betcha!

But you&#039;re still in time to recover from it. I now I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like to point out that probably most of the &#8220;indictable offense&#8221; problem regarded here is a problem of <b>reporting the crime</b>. I&#8217;d suggest that 1900&#8242;s poor villages reported way less crimes than do today&#8217;s cities, where it&#8217;s way less to escape the society. I&#8217;d say though that &#8220;pessimism&#8221; may be well correlated with this, because perception, not reality, is key.</p>
<p>To suggest, as the author does, that the 1900&#8242;s village lifestyle was better than 2010&#8242;s city&#8217;s lifestyle, is to be gullible and susceptible to eden myths that never existed. As you put the graph reported crime rates, why not also put the expected lifespan? Was it the Doom&#8217;nGloom zeitgeist? You betcha!</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re still in time to recover from it. I now I did.</p>
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		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2976#comment-819148</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Let&#039;s do it. Here is my email: solidstatefusion@yahoo.com  Lets together you and I draft a letter of some sort about assemblers and the vital importance of developing them, and send this letter to President Obama and his administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Let&#8217;s do it. Here is my email: <a href="mailto:solidstatefusion@yahoo.com">solidstatefusion@yahoo.com</a>  Lets together you and I draft a letter of some sort about assemblers and the vital importance of developing them, and send this letter to President Obama and his administration.</p>
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