Comments on: Some Historical Perspective

By: Ciccio

Ciccio — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:36:18 +0000

I daresay this thread is dead and buried, I have it bookmarked because I often check on it when the argument comes up. It came up again and I noticed something I did not notice before, perhaps I am committing the same fault as the GW lobby and am massaging the data to fit the theory but it seems to me that there are three high points, 3,000 , 2,000 and 1,000 years ago. 3,000 years ago the first cities rose to prominence, 2,000 years ago the Roman empire was at its height and 1,000 years ago Europe started its climb out of the dark ages. Increased warmth = increased agriculture = increased wealth = increased growth.
I wish wish someone qualified would examine this possibility.

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» PerspectiveCaustic Labs, Inc. — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:24:57 +0000

[...] Scott R Says: “Kathy” apparently thinks changing light bulbs and insulating windows will, in some meaningful way, counteract the earth’s secular warming and cooling trends. This is the sort of unfathomable stupidity we are used to from the purveyors of AGW. It is also immoral. What “Kathy” calls “reducing our carbon footprint” translates, for much of the world’s population, into “keep yourselves in miserable poverty so that I, Kathy, can feel good about myself and my polar bears.” I retort: To hell with the polar bears. If they cannot adapt, then they should die. Millions of species have been eliminated in earth’s various environmental traumas–not one of which had to do with mankind. Time for people like Kathy to grow up and realize that their emotions do not determine physical realities. I know it’s hard for such people. They, like President Obama, believe if they give a speech or slap a bumper sticker on the car, they have “changed” the world. It’s worse than pathetic. The global warming crowd will be seen by future historians as nothing more than a quasi-religious mass [hysteria] that succeeded only in humiliating its adherents. [...]

By: Rebuttal to the Skeptical Science “Crux of a Core” | Watts Up With That?

Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:01:08 +0000

[...] bit over a year ago, in the wake of Climategate, I put up a blog post over at the Foresight Institute which got picked up and run here at WUWT. The essence of the post was that there was lots of [...]

By: Tobyw

Tobyw — Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:13:50 +0000

The GISP-2 temperature record is a great record of Holocene temps, but should we not compare all the ice records on the Holocene scale? Where are the 12k year graphs of the Antarctic ice cores?We can see that the ice core Holocene temperatures of all have a range of 2-4C on the 100k year scale but we cannot see the relative timing of the swings. I think that Mann et al make a mistake throwing disparate proxies all together on one graph, then averaging to arrive at a 10k year record with less variation than I can achieve with the thermostat on my furnace set to 68F.

I think it might be a better use of data to compare like data with like data: Ice core with ice core, sediments with sediments, and tree rings with tree rings, etc. Then compare to historic records. Each type of proxy will have similar characteristics leading to error, so you could see where all the ice records, for example, coincide and where they do not.
The Sargasso sediment records seem to match the European historical record pretty closely.
Different proxies between Europe, different latitudes, same ocean (Atlantic) would be an example. Sargasso compares well in range with GISP-2 as well, I think.

Mann’s 12,000 year composite graph with the instrumental record tacked on the end seem more designed to obfuscate than illuminate to me. Looking at the faint colored lines of the background data, you should ask: How can you have data sets of one world with 1000-year swings 180 degrees out of phase as the background data indicate? Mann’s proxies seem to be taken from different solar systems.

Lets compare different proxies like with like, area by area, then compare the results between different proxy sets.

By: Dorothy behind the curtain (Part 2) | Digging in the Clay

Dorothy behind the curtain (Part 2) | Digging in the Clay — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:50:48 +0000

[...] GISP2 data has previously been related to more recent warm and cold periods. See: http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3553 and http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/best-shot and currently [...]

By: Brian Hall

Brian Hall — Sat, 25 Sep 2010 06:16:52 +0000

JSH;
Great last name you have!
Isn’t it odd that the IPCC does their own amateur modeling, programming, forecasting, physics, chemistry, etc., and won’t let the real pros at their data?

Anyhow, it’s too bad we don’t have a “magic thermostat” in CO2. As you note, we’re likely to wish we could dial up the temperature in the not too distant future!

By: The Global Warming Fraud « Investigate Bilderberg

The Global Warming Fraud « Investigate Bilderberg — Sun, 30 May 2010 16:26:12 +0000

[...] http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3553 [...]

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Prophets, Priests and Poets » Blog Archive » When gods Die… — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:11:26 +0000

[...] Period (MWP) and the Little Ice Age (LIA), which both fell within the past 1000-1300 years or so, demonstrate that the current warming trend is part of a naturally-occurring climate pattern experienced by the [...]

By: When gods Die | Fishing The Abyss

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By: Ice core data « The moon in daylight

Ice core data « The moon in daylight — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:32:34 +0000

[...] 14, 2009 · Leave a Comment Great ice core data and graphs at The Foresight Institute: I’m looking at the temperature record as read from this central Greenland ice core. It gives us [...]