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	<title>Comments on: Nanotechnology and Societal Transformation</title>
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		<title>By: chip</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=629#comment-1745</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2001 02:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Worth reading&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s actually an interesting question, if it doesn&#039;t take us too far off topic. Let me see if I can answer it while trying to avoid getting tangled up in specific arguments with their ideological beliefs or value judgements. A partial list of the things that caught my attention:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;The belief that it is possible to foresee the specific consequences of particular policies or technological developments. Though they do address this concern directly -- one the things that makes me think they&#039;re worth talking to -- they still fall into the trap of advocating forecasting (which they call &quot;technology assessment&quot;) where such forecasting is not truly possible, even in principle.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li class=&quot;c16&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Use of the social &quot;we&quot; as if society were a purposeful entity with specific goals (coupled generally with the unspoken assumption that government policy is &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt; means by which society pursues these goals).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li class=&quot;c16&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A general blindness to the degree to which the participants in an assessment or forecasting exercise (especially one whose results will be used to guide the actions of the government in the areas of regulation or funding) can usually be depended on to behave as self-interested actors rather than as dispassionate analysts. In particular, institutions are proposed which attempt to respond to self-interested behavior in other contexts without recognition that these institutions themselves will be subject to the same kinds of human behavior.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li class=&quot;c16&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A tendency to presume that certain objectives or concerns are generally agreed upon (by their readers or by the world at large) as key issues (in this case, for example, &quot;sustainability&quot;, &quot;global climate change&quot;, &quot;social equity&quot;), without questioning whether concern with those issues is as universal as they presume, or indeed whether these issues may themselves be of arguable relevance because of precisely the phenomena (the effects of technological progress) under discussion.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re:Worth reading</strong></p>
<p>That&#39;s actually an interesting question, if it doesn&#39;t take us too far off topic. Let me see if I can answer it while trying to avoid getting tangled up in specific arguments with their ideological beliefs or value judgements. A partial list of the things that caught my attention:</p>
<ul>
<li>The belief that it is possible to foresee the specific consequences of particular policies or technological developments. Though they do address this concern directly &#8212; one the things that makes me think they&#39;re worth talking to &#8212; they still fall into the trap of advocating forecasting (which they call &quot;technology assessment&quot;) where such forecasting is not truly possible, even in principle.</li>
<li class="c16"></li>
<li>Use of the social &quot;we&quot; as if society were a purposeful entity with specific goals (coupled generally with the unspoken assumption that government policy is <em>the</em> means by which society pursues these goals).</li>
<li class="c16"></li>
<li>A general blindness to the degree to which the participants in an assessment or forecasting exercise (especially one whose results will be used to guide the actions of the government in the areas of regulation or funding) can usually be depended on to behave as self-interested actors rather than as dispassionate analysts. In particular, institutions are proposed which attempt to respond to self-interested behavior in other contexts without recognition that these institutions themselves will be subject to the same kinds of human behavior.</li>
<li class="c16"></li>
<li>A tendency to presume that certain objectives or concerns are generally agreed upon (by their readers or by the world at large) as key issues (in this case, for example, &quot;sustainability&quot;, &quot;global climate change&quot;, &quot;social equity&quot;), without questioning whether concern with those issues is as universal as they presume, or indeed whether these issues may themselves be of arguable relevance because of precisely the phenomena (the effects of technological progress) under discussion.</li>
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		<title>By: mysticaloldbard</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=629#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>mysticaloldbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Worth reading&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which kind of epistemological dysfunction that afflicts so many on the left?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re:Worth reading</strong></p>
<p>Which kind of epistemological dysfunction that afflicts so many on the left?</p>
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		<title>By: chip</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=629#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Worth reading&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This was an interesting paper. The authors represent a point of view that will, I think, be increasingly making itself heard in the coming years. Though these particular folks do seem to suffer to a significant degree from the same kind of epistemological dysfunction that afflicts so many on the left, they also seem like people with whom one might be able to have an intelligent conversation about the issues the paper discusses (in sharp contrast to many in that camp who I encounter from time to time).&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Worth reading</strong></p>
<p>This was an interesting paper. The authors represent a point of view that will, I think, be increasingly making itself heard in the coming years. Though these particular folks do seem to suffer to a significant degree from the same kind of epistemological dysfunction that afflicts so many on the left, they also seem like people with whom one might be able to have an intelligent conversation about the issues the paper discusses (in sharp contrast to many in that camp who I encounter from time to time).</p>
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