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	<title>Comments on: Venor Vinge profiled in NY Times</title>
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		<title>By: LosAngeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>LosAngeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming either the Left Wing or the Right Wing gained control of the country, it would probably fly around in circles.</description>
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		<title>By: pethorne</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=697#comment-1771</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Re:Admirable guy who nearly missed his &quot;time.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Practical Transhuman wrote on 2-Aug-2001:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Vinge&#039;s modesty is refreshing compared with some Transhumanist intellectuals I could name.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve met him at two SF conventions, and he was very pleasant in person, relaxed, happy to chat. (Which means nothing in isolation; there are probably techno-economic radicals who are just as low-key in face-to-face conversation.) Buttonholing him after panels, I was able to get tips to illustrate some of the ships and aliens from his fiction. (He has very specific notions; but his doodles are limited.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For some near-future not-quite-Singularity predictions, here&#039;s my synopsis of his &quot;fuzzy edge of the internet&quot; (networked embedded controllers and &quot;localizers&quot;) &lt;a href=&quot;http://nsx.underbase.org/review/conv/philcon-2000-vinge.htm&quot;&gt;GoH speech from Philcon 2000&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everyone mentions &lt;em&gt;True Names&lt;/em&gt; (networks, cyberspace), &lt;em&gt;_Marooned in Realtime_&lt;/em&gt; (the Singularity), and &lt;em&gt;_A Fire Upon the Deep_&lt;/em&gt; (transhuman intelligences) -- but his fiction isn&#039;t unalloyed boosterism. In AFUtD&#039;s sequel, &lt;em&gt;_A Deepness in the Sky_&lt;/em&gt;, it&#039;s 8000 years from now and human colony worlds routinely collapse, e.g. when they over-optimize their networked just-in-time industries. (No inventory to buffer pipeline delays.) People refer to &quot;the age of failed dreams&quot; -- unachieved hopes for human- and superhuman AIs, natural language processing, nanotech, FTL. (Of course, in Vinge&#039;s &quot;Zones of Thought&quot; universe, that&#039;s because *those* things are easier to achieve in the Beyond and Transcend.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One authoritarian culture achieves human-level computing support (a layer atop the dumb machines) by enslaving *humans* with &quot;Focus&quot;, a tunable brain infection that turns you into a dedicated, directable idiot savant. Another civ develops near-microscopic MEMS &quot;localizers&quot; and soon falls into authoritarian ubiquitous surveillance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His personal site is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vrinimi.net&quot;&gt;Vrinimi.net&lt;/a&gt; (not .com or .org, IIRC), but (a) it&#039;s just an amusing one-page ad for Vrinimi Networking in the High Beyond, and (b) it&#039;s not currently responding. (None of the three are.) I&#039;ve compiled a near-complete &lt;a href=&quot;http://nsx.underbase.org/analysis/biblio-vvinge.htm&quot;&gt;Vinge fiction bibliography&lt;/a&gt;, cross-organized by collection.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re:Admirable guy who nearly missed his &quot;time.&quot;</strong></p>
<p>Practical Transhuman wrote on 2-Aug-2001:</p>
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<p>Vinge&#39;s modesty is refreshing compared with some Transhumanist intellectuals I could name.</p>
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<p>I&#39;ve met him at two SF conventions, and he was very pleasant in person, relaxed, happy to chat. (Which means nothing in isolation; there are probably techno-economic radicals who are just as low-key in face-to-face conversation.) Buttonholing him after panels, I was able to get tips to illustrate some of the ships and aliens from his fiction. (He has very specific notions; but his doodles are limited.)</p>
<p>For some near-future not-quite-Singularity predictions, here&#39;s my synopsis of his &quot;fuzzy edge of the internet&quot; (networked embedded controllers and &quot;localizers&quot;) <a href="http://nsx.underbase.org/review/conv/philcon-2000-vinge.htm">GoH speech from Philcon 2000</a>.</p>
<p>Everyone mentions <em>True Names</em> (networks, cyberspace), <em>_Marooned in Realtime_</em> (the Singularity), and <em>_A Fire Upon the Deep_</em> (transhuman intelligences) &#8212; but his fiction isn&#39;t unalloyed boosterism. In AFUtD&#39;s sequel, <em>_A Deepness in the Sky_</em>, it&#39;s 8000 years from now and human colony worlds routinely collapse, e.g. when they over-optimize their networked just-in-time industries. (No inventory to buffer pipeline delays.) People refer to &quot;the age of failed dreams&quot; &#8212; unachieved hopes for human- and superhuman AIs, natural language processing, nanotech, FTL. (Of course, in Vinge&#39;s &quot;Zones of Thought&quot; universe, that&#39;s because *those* things are easier to achieve in the Beyond and Transcend.)</p>
<p>One authoritarian culture achieves human-level computing support (a layer atop the dumb machines) by enslaving *humans* with &quot;Focus&quot;, a tunable brain infection that turns you into a dedicated, directable idiot savant. Another civ develops near-microscopic MEMS &quot;localizers&quot; and soon falls into authoritarian ubiquitous surveillance.</p>
<p>His personal site is <a href="http://www.vrinimi.net">Vrinimi.net</a> (not .com or .org, IIRC), but (a) it&#39;s just an amusing one-page ad for Vrinimi Networking in the High Beyond, and (b) it&#39;s not currently responding. (None of the three are.) I&#39;ve compiled a near-complete <a href="http://nsx.underbase.org/analysis/biblio-vvinge.htm">Vinge fiction bibliography</a>, cross-organized by collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Practical Transhuman</title>
		<link>http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=697#comment-1770</link>
		<dc:creator>Practical Transhuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2001 01:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Admirable guy who nearly missed his &quot;time.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Vinge&#039;s modesty is refreshing compared with some Transhumanist intellectuals I could name. Too bad &lt;em&gt;True Names&lt;/em&gt; seems bit dated by now, though perhaps the wider, non-nerd culture is about ready to assimilate its perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because enough regular people have integrated the real-life Web into their lives, while responding well to &lt;em&gt;The Matrix&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;The X-Files&lt;/em&gt;, and even to the &lt;em&gt;Harry Potter&lt;/em&gt; novels, they shouldn&#039;t have any trouble relating to the world of Mr. Slippery.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Admirable guy who nearly missed his &quot;time.&quot;</strong></p>
<p>Vinge&#39;s modesty is refreshing compared with some Transhumanist intellectuals I could name. Too bad <em>True Names</em> seems bit dated by now, though perhaps the wider, non-nerd culture is about ready to assimilate its perspective.</p>
<p>Because enough regular people have integrated the real-life Web into their lives, while responding well to <em>The Matrix</em>, <em>The X-Files</em>, and even to the <em>Harry Potter</em> novels, they shouldn&#39;t have any trouble relating to the world of Mr. Slippery.</p>
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