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Scientists Unlock Secrets To Artificial Gecko Glue

from the gecko-not-GEICO dept.
JohnPierce writes with an example where scientists studying a biological phenomenon gained an insight that might be useful with microscale and perhaps nanoscale design and fabrication. Scientists Prove How Geckos Stick, Unlock Secrets To Making Artificial Gecko Glue Scientists Prove How Geckos Stick, Unlock Secrets To Making Artificial Gecko Glue reports that three teams of scientists working in Oregon and California have confirmed that the gekco's amazing climbing ability depends on van der Waals forces, which are intermolecular forces that arise from the size and shape of the tips of the tiny hairs on gecko toes.

PORTLAND, Ore. — Geckos, nature's supreme climbers, can race up a polished glass wall at a meter per second and support their entire body weight from a wall with only a single toe. But the gecko's remarkable climbing ability has remained a mystery since Artistotle [sic] first observed it in fourth century B.C.

Now a team of biologists and engineers has cracked the molecular secrets of the gecko's unsurpassed sticking power–opening the door for engineers to fabricate prototypes of synthetic gecko adhesive.

The researchers were able "to fabricate prototype synthetic foot-hair tips from two different materials," which opened "the door to manufacturing the first biologically inspired dry, adhesive microstructures, which can have widespread applications." The original press release Scientists prove how geckos stick contains links to more information. The research was published in Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA and the abstract is available online: Evidence for van der Waals adhesion in gecko setae

23 Responses to “Scientists Unlock Secrets To Artificial Gecko Glue”

  1. bugstuff Says:

    Ironically Natural Selection is Proof God Exist!

    Random Chaotic Natural Processes
    Involved in the Charles Darwin's Concept
    of Natural Selection
    Is Proof God Exist.

    For many years, Creationist have emotionally denounced academic acceptance of random chaotic natural processes involved in Charles Darwin's concept of Natural Selection. Ironically, random chaotic natural processes involved in Charles Darwinís concept of Natural Selection are proof God exist!

    A human being is created in the image of God and is blessed with the ability to think, create, and solve problems. The natural chaotic random tendency of natural law to select intelligent fierce brutal creatures to survive precludes the possibility that a human being reflecting the image of God could have arisen without Godís help.

    It is a true miracle that the human race has arisen in a world governed by natural chaotic random processes that endow reptiles, like the geko lizard, and other animals with superior survival abilities.

    Recently, according to televised news reports, scientist demonstrated that a crow has intelligence to use tools to unlock a cage door to gain access to food. In the Hollywood Blockbuster Box Office Smash Hit Movie, Jurassic Park III, dinosaurs adapted to become intelligent creatures.

    The human race should be thankful that events happened as events happened. God has a plan. If human beings choose to use weapons of mass destruction, woo to the people who stand before the throne of God who become responsible for the earth becoming an empty smoldering smoking cinder floating in space.

    A truism is a common familiar linguistic expression that has been validated by the passing of the truism from generation to generation and wide acceptance of the truism by large groups of people.

    The truism, ìGod helps those who help themselvesî promotes scientific progress. The truism ìGod helps those who help themselvesî points to the necessity for mankind to intervene in chaotic random natural processes.

    A full discussion of these ideas is posted on Nanodot.org under the title, ìA Detached Unemotional Clincal Math Driven Future?î at the following URL address:

    http://nanodot.org/comments.plsid=02/08/25/063205& op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&startat= &cid=12

    The discussion ìA Detached Unemotional Clinical Math Driven Futureî is actually a discourse explaining a new Feature article posted on Wonderful Life Foundation web site entitled:

    Wonderful Life Foundation
    Ponders the Question
    ìWhy Did God Kill the Dinosaurs?î
    As Explored on the Web Site Portal
    Belief Net.com?

    According to ABC news (hosted by Peter Jennings) genetically modified grain stored in a warehouse is currently being withheld from starving people in Africa. According to ABC news reports the same genetically modified food is widely distributed for consumption in America.

    I would eat genetically modified food stuff. Who knows, it may be discovered genetically modified food can cause cancer in 30 or 40 years. Some insecticides may also cause cancer. Some of the people in Africa may die within 1 or 2 months from starvation.

    Various groups do need to diligently work to insure all foods are as safe as possible.

    http://nanodot.org/comments.pl?sid=02/08/25/063205 &op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&startat =&cid=12

  2. Corwin Says:

    Re:Ironically Natural Selection is Proof God Exist

    Whooooooo boy.

    Evolution is not a random process. Your insistence that it is simply proves that like most creationists, you know nothing about evolutionary theory.

    That having been said, the random process itself wouldn't prove this God thingy of yours existed even if you were right.

    And third…. CREATIONISM AND EVOLUTION HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE TOPIC!!!!!!!!!

    Go back do DrDino.com and leave the rest of us to discussing emerging technology without religious freaks injecting self-delusional creationist dogma into the discussion.

  3. Corwin Says:

    ok

    So…. honest question here.

    I understand the concept involved in how the 'glue' feature allows geckos' feet to stick. Lots of fibers spread the weight out over a large area yadda yadda.

    Now the question….

    How do these little buggers pick their feet up afterward?

    *scratches his head*

  4. bugstuff Says:

    Defending My Post

    Foremost, I want to state that your sharp critical remarks are entirely welcomed and highly valued. I personally uphold the belief that if a person has enough interest to apply his or her precious valuable time to make an effort to contribute to a message board then that person should be validated by acknowledging the personal effort in some positive way.

    You are mistaken in some key points, and I believe it is important to clarify these issues for your benefit.

    Corwin wrote:
    >îEvolution is not a random processî.

    My Reply:

    Darwinian Natural selection is due to genetic mutation. Genetic mutation is due to natural random chaotic processes.

    Genetic Mutation occurs when super strong bonds contained in Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) break. Broken molecular DNA bonds reattach to form a new type of DNA strand. The number of possible permutations (rearrangements and combinations) of the DNA strand is vast. The vast number of rearrangements and combinations is what I refer to as random chaotic processes.

    The break of the super strong bonds contained in DNA more than likely involves the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states a system tends to increase in disorder. Thus, genetic mutation is due to natural random chaotic processes in ordered systems.

    Ordered systems tend to move toward greater disorder. Greater disorder in ordered systems incorporates a larger degree of freedom in creation. Incorporation of a greater degree of freedom in creation provides lower life forms greater power. The greater power of lower life forms tends to favor natural selection of fierce brutal creatures to be more perfectly adapted to survive.

    Occasionally the new type of DNA strand allows expression of physical biological characteristics that give a creature an advantage to survive in a specific ecological niche over other types of creatures that do not have the same biological characteristics originating in the genetic mutation of DNA material. Natural Selection is due to a biological characteristic originating in genetic mutation of DNA material allowing for adaptation of an organism to a specific ecological niche.

    A creature survives for a longer period of time when natural selection allows adaption of the creature to a specific ecological niche. Survival of creature with an adaptive biological mutation for a longer period of time allows the creature more opportunity to mate and pass the adaptive genetic mutation to offspring.

    The new type of DNA strand is passed to offspring. Genetic mutation gives a creature an advantage to better survive in a specific ecological niche.

    __________________________________________________

    Corwin Wrote:
    >îYour insistence that it is simply proves that like most creationists, you know nothing about evolutionary theory.î

    My Reply:

    Due to my discussion of God and theology, you immediately label me as a CREATIONIST. The typical stereotyped perception of a creationist is a person who is fanatic. You may have formed this stereotyped perception during heated debates with creationist.

    If you read and understand my content you would know that I am both a Creationist and Evolutionist. I have devised two new original theoretical theological concepts which I refer to as the Accelerated Genesis Process and the Decelerated Genesis Process.

    My original new theoretical theological proposition of an Accelerated Genesis Process occurring before the Big Bang allows me to believe God has the power to create the world in 6 days and 6 nights, as written in Ancient Scripture.

    My original new theoretical theological proposition of a post Big Bang Decelerated Genesis Process allows one to accept the world is governed by natural law and random chaotic disorder occurs in ordered systems. Every occurrence on earth and in heaven has a price. In business circles the price is known as opportunity cost.

    Magic does not exist. Nothing cannot spontaneously sprout and grow from nothing. It would be illogical or foolish to deny existence of natural law. Many snake handlers die from snake bite because they deny the truthful operation of natural law in the universe. Many children die because their parents deny truthful operation of natural law in the universe and refuse medical care based upon religious beliefs.

    __________________________________________________ ____________

    Corwin wrote:
    >îGo back do Dr.Dino and leave the rest of us to discussing emerging technology without religious freaks injecting self-delusional creationist dogma into the discussion.î

    Your statement seems to imply an exclusive inner circle of science practitioners exist. Your statement seems to imply I personally do not belong in this exclusive inner circle of science practitioners.

    I seriously doubt that most people belonging to the Nanodot.org online forum believe they belong to an exclusive inner circle of science practitioners. I seriously doubt an exclusive inner circle of science practitioners, in fact, truly exist.

    The socioeconomic need of various scientific organizations and institutions to protect patent privileges may contribute to formation of an exclusive inner circle of science practitioners. However, The Foresight Institute is addressing this issue by embracing the concept of Open Source. The Foresight Institute is trying to analysis the best method to implement open source in a free market economy.

    Nanotechnology and other new emerging technology is a broad comprehensive sociological phenomenon embracing a wide variety of belief systems. If you truly do belong to an inner circle of science practitioners you should be cognizant of the fact that your very narrow definition does not help or promote your cause. Your very narrow definition of an exclusive inner circle of science practitioners does not help facilitate science as a social movement.

    I suspect your views are a sample representation of views from one of three distinct separate populations:

    (1)You may belong to a population selling a competing technology. Your motivation may be to limit growth of new emerging technology by a very narrow definition of a group that has the right to be involved in development and implementation of new emerging technology.

    (2) You may in fact belong to an exclusive inner circle of science practitioners who desire to dominate new emerging technology. Your very narrow definition of a group that has the right to be involved in development and implementation of new emerging technology is a method to exercise socioeconomic control of new emerging technology.

    (3) Your motivation is to help facilitate positive constructive scientific progress and you have deliberately put me on the defensive to incite myself, as an author, to write about these subjects, elaborate, expand and expound upon these highly important topics in detail.

    In my opening remarks above I stated your sharp critical remarks are entirely welcomed and highly valued. I believe you have the right to engage in a self preservation process of earning a living which may involve posting to the Nanodot.org Online Forum.

    Corwin wrote:
    >îCREATIONISM AND EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE TOPIC.î

    My Reply:

    The original topic is about the superior natural ability of Gecko lizards to climb. The article discuss how scientist have discovered how to duplicate adhesive properties innate in the Gecko lizard genetic make up.

    The superior natural ability of the Gecko lizard to climb is a consequence of an evolutionary process, thus my discussion of evolution is very relevant and on target to the original topic of discussion.

    I assert, it is a true miracle that the human race has arisen in a world governed by natural chaotic random processes that endow reptiles, lick the gecko lizard and other animals, with superior survival abilities.

    Corwin wrote:
    >îGo back do Dr.Dino and leave the rest of us to discussing emerging technology Öî

    I must admit, you are correct, at one point. I am not by any means an Intellectual heavy weight contender. An I.Q test administered by a licensed board certified Psychologist show that I fall near borderline retardation in many functional areas. I am not credentialed with many advanced degrees in science. I do not have a ton of academic accolades to boast about. My message board post would be unreadable without current technology of a software spell checker available at the local library.

    However, I believe my contribution to the Nanodot Online Forum is a valuable contribution. Many of us want to believe miracles are still possible. Many of us want to believe that the global standard of living can be raised for all people regardless of race, creed, gender, or ethnic origin.

    Many of us want to hope for a miracle. Many of us desire to see miracles. The natural ability of the gecko lizard to climb walls is a miracle. The ability of scientist to duplicate the adhesive propensity innate to the gecko lizard may be considered a miracle.

    I must admit that my most immediate reaction to your sharp attack of my Nanodot.org Forum contribution is emotional pain. I spent a lot of time writing and posting my comments. My most immediate thought after reading your sharp attack is, ìwhat do I know?î.

    I believe it is important to find some way to validate a person. Of course, constructive criticism is often necessary and appropriate. I donít believe any foul language, direct or implied death threats should be accepted.

    It is important that development and implementation of new emerging technology not be skewed by exclusion of large groups of people and formation of an ìinner circle of science practitionersî. Scientist can devise the perfect science, only to arrive at a future that becomes a mechanical nightmare.

    As stated in a previous Feature article posted by Wonderful Life Foundation, Our valiant effort to create a better future can only succeed by the grace of God. Success of our valiant efforts to create a better future will be a true miracle. Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. The human reptilian brain includes an innate natural instinct known to psychologist as the death instinct. We as human individuals have an innate natural tendency to quit, give up, and die.

    Thank you,
    Sincerely,
    Mark
    Founder, Webmaster, Executive Director
    Wonderful Life Foundation

    http://bugstuff0.tripod.com

  5. Corwin Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    >

    Let's keep this short, sweet, and to the point.

    1) Evolution of an organism is influenced by particular, predictable factors. Mutation is (generally) random. Evolution != mutation. Mutations occur randomly. Whether or not a mutation becomes a survival adaptation is not random at all, but follows any of several well understood forms.

    2) Your arguments are largely those of the Intelligent Design camp. Scratch the surface of any ID advocate and you'll find… a religious creationist, usually a fundamentalist christian. In addition, ID is pure psudeoscience, and has been completely debunked repeatedly.

    3) The entire post is irrelevant. You are of the strip of creationists that sees any reference to an adaptation and MUST interject your religious drivel into it. News flash… we… don't… care. Get over it.

  6. bhoover Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    Mark

    Nice response. I've read (or tried to read) your posts here before. It's good to see that you can actually focus and direct your intellect when you want to :) . I wouldn't put too much stock (not that you do) in those IQ tests.

    Too many people seem to be of the mind that faith is neccessarily a bad thing. I used to be a devout athiest, so I can identify with your "attacker" – I've delivered a few such attacks myself. However, I for one would argue that prolific secularization is not a good thing, and that it is a major contributing factor in the formation of the totalitarian state that is modern USA.

    Well, now with the present post, this thread is really off topic, so I'll say not more :) .

  7. Iron Sun Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    I miss Kadamose. There's nothing here I can be bothered working with.

  8. Hadis Says:

    Re:Ironically Natural Selection is Proof God Exist

    Not intending to keep this off the original topic I felt I needed to share a slight flaw in your argument. You make the assumption that your God created humans in his image… even though no image of God has ever been seen. This assumption is brought about by hundreds and hundreds of years of egotistical philosophers and priests that believed this universe and everything in it was created for us. God did not give us his image… we gave him ours.

    As for the comment about genetically altered food. Eating carrots doesnt cause cancer. If scientists created a carrot that made a chemical totally safe for humans that made insect cringe at the thought of getting near it or possibly giving carrots some kind of husk like corn I dont see how eating this could cause cancer.

    If God helps those who help themselves why do we get so many religious fundamentalists that believe in that statement and at the same time wish to slow scientific research and advances to a crawl so we can "effectively evaluate health improvements and risks"?

    Didnt mean to say so much about that junk so… back to the gecko. Does this mean some time in the near future those Garfields I see in car windows wont come crashing down on top of babies and possibly cause massive brain damage? *adds sarcasm to the last bit* And dont we already have something like synthetic gecko glue? I mean… we have post-its. *cheers for 3M*

  9. Corwin Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    Without 'faith' we would have had nanotech years ago. For too long we've been fighting against religious nutcases who pass laws banning research and pull research funding sources… and why? 'Gawd doesn't want us to know these things…. what gives you the right to play God?!?!?!?!?'

    Wake up. There is no God, or Satan, or Heaven, or Hell. Paradise will be on Earth, and it'll be human hands, (and the nanotools built by human hands) that makes it happen. All the prayers in the world won't make it happen…. just a lot of hard work… and learning to get over invisible friends. Especially genocidal tyrannical ones who supposedly punish humanity for seeking knowledge. Only then will we move on to our birthright as sentient beings.

  10. Corwin Says:

    Re:Ironically Natural Selection is Proof God Exist

    Post its are all well and good… until you get into a high stress situation like hard vaccum…

  11. bhoover Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    Without 'faith' we would have had nanotech years ago.

    Sounds like a religious belief. Do tell.

    Ok, lets pretend I left out a 'not' in my last post, so what I really meant to say was, "I'll not, not say more," :>, because apparently, a chord has been struck. It's an age old chord, and it probably hasn't improved much over time – except of course for the anti-religious, in terms of ever advancing successes in totalitarianism, but what the hell, I'll bite. You seem so bitter, I can't bare to think you are suffering alone.

    So come my child. Tell me, what is that grieves thy so? :|

    First, let me say, I generally don't mix faith, and science. I'm usually embarrassed when I see stories about someone or some organization working on scientific proof for the existence of God. Such an enterprise betrays the very faith for which proof is sought, and as such, is a little insulting.

    From your posts on the subject one might think people of faith are the only ones to ever yank project funding, or give pause before diving headlong into an endeaver that raises many questions, issues, deserving of thoughtful consideration, and enquiry, from many branches of science, and from non-scientists, and yes, even from people of faith.

    Though they don't neccessarily speak the language of science, people of faith can offer wisdom, and have opinions too, no less than anyone regardless of their scientific standing.

    There's non faithfull tyrants just as there are faithful ones. There are faithful ones who don't let their religion enter into it, but rather, just like to have everything their own way, or are shrewd enough to take advantage of the fact that most people just don't give a damn (why am I suddenly thinking of shrubbery, chains, rum, and ashes? Oh, I must be overdue for a heaping dose of American don't ask, don't television – there, scientists know religious people are bad, and religious people know scientists are bad. There, people know the way things ought to be).

    Wake up. There is no God, or Satan, or Heaven, or Hell. Paradise will be on Earth, and it'll be human hands, (and the nanotools built by human hands) that makes it happen

    I'm wide awake
    I'm not sleepin'
    –U2

  12. bugstuff Says:

    Meat and Potatoes

    bhoover,

    Thank you for your positive response. The original post detailing the amazing climbing ability of Gecko lizards contains the central theme of Adaptation. I do not believe a discussion of prolific secularization strays too far from the major theme of the original post pertaining to adaptation.

    Your introduction of the concept of prolific secularization is nearing the heart of the matter and just beginning to arrive at the main course of meat and potatoes involving the major issues of what the Nanodot Online Forum should be and is actually about. The meat and potatoes of the Nanodot Online Forum is social adaptation to "prepare for the coming era of nanotechnology".

    bhoover wrote:
    "Well, now with the present post, this thread is really offtopic, so I'll say not more :) ."

    Wonderful Life Foundation goes where no one dare to thread. It is sad that people feel hesitant to contribute to online message boards because their contributions are quickly dismissed by declaring the contribution as off topic, irreverent, or spam. People with specific ideology and belief systems read content they personally disagree with and quickly dismiss the contribution by quickly labeling the content as irreverent, off topic, or spam.

    Inherent in the quick and easy dismissal of certain mematic content is danger that future institutions will haphazardly evolve with skewed ideology. Institutions that haphazardly and awkwardly evolve with skewed ideology will be defective because such institutions will not be a valid sample of fair representation of mematics within the larger population.

    An unfortunate consequence of efforts to discourage certain mematic post by quick categorization of a post as spam, off-topic, or irreverent is hesitation of potential contributors to explore deeper, more profound, philosophical levels of specific issues. The induced hesitation of people to make meaningful contributions to online forums, such as Nanodot.org, leads toward a dangerous form of prolific secularization.

    The issue of prolific secularization is highly related to the central theme of social adaptation. In the future, humanity will either learn to adapt or fail to adapt. Psychology defines learning as a change in behavior. Human civilization is going to gallop ( please read my comparison of collective humanity to a beautiful wild stallion found in previous Nanodot.org post ) down one of three separate paths.

    Collectively, human civilization will either (1) successfully adapt by learning how to practice with wisdom and prudence love, understanding, acceptance, tolerance and respect for all people, or (2) fail to adapt, remain stagnant, and eventually transform the earth into a smoldering, smoking, charred lifeless cinder floating in space.

    The Third future scenario is that God will reclaim creation as His Own. God may return at any given hour, on any day, but until God returns we must move forward and make the world a better place.

    The world will be a better place when each unique individual can follow his or her own unique God given inner spirit to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in such a way that he or she reaches the pinnacle of Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of personal development – the top stage of self-actualization.

    In order to move progressively forward, we must prepare to meet God at the end of time. We must be prepared, at the end of time, to offer up, unto God, the earth as a sparkling dazzling precious beautiful gem. If we choose to remain stagnant and fail to properly adapt, we, as a collective society may stand before the throne of God with nothing to offer but a smoldering, smoking, charred, lifeless cinder we once called our home – planet earth. Global thermonuclear war will most certainly mean the end of life on earth.

    A smoldering, smoking, charred, lifeless cinder will reflect vast and widespread deficiency of spirit among all religious groups. One can image how sad the True God will feel.

    Secularization has both pro's and con's. Secularization is a bad bad thing when personal belief systems become so watered down and diluted the personal believes become meaningless.

    Secularization has both pro's and con's. Secularization is a good thing because secularization provides a neutral area where people with strong religious convictions can practice love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect. The goal of every religion should be to increase love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect.

    Religious extremism, in and of itself, is okay. It is not wrong to be a religious extremist; just so long as one's religious extremism does not mandate the necessity to deny other people life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. God calls us to burn bright in whatever religious faith we practice.

    If an adult man or woman who is of sound mind feels God is calling him or her to handle snakes to witness God's power, than he or she should practice snake handling. If an adult man or woman who is of sound mind feels a call to refuse medical treatment to witness the power of God to heal than he or she should refuse medical treatment.

    If an adult man or woman of sound mind has ability and know how to travel by horse and buggy as a testimony to the merits of a simple life in developing a close relationship with God, than he or she should travel by horse and buggy, despite whatever better means of travel may be invented. If an adult man or woman who is of sound mind feels God is calling him or her to fast 40 day and 40 nights, then he or she should fast 40 days and 40 nights.

    If an adult man or woman feels a call to kneel and pray five times per day, than he or she should kneel and pray five times per day. If an adult man or woman of sound mind feels a need to embrace atheism as a believe system, than he or she should practice atheism.

    Each person may be called to perform an unique mission for God in a different way than another person. My posting content on the internet may be considered a form of religious extremism.

    It is commonly known that atheism is just another faith, belief system, or creed. The existence of God has not been scientifically proven or disproved. No one has ever traveled back through time to the Accelerated Genesis Process before the Big Bang.

    Scientist do not have a clue as to what existed before the Big Bang. According to my theory of the Accelerated Genesis Process, the Garden of Eden physically existed before the Big Bang.

    The Accelerated Genesis Process is a theory that will never be proven or disproved. Scientist may one day discover time travel. Scientist will never be capable of traveling back through time pass the Big Bang.

    God placed a cherubim with a flaming sword to protect that part of the cosmos. Furthermore, the swift swirling flaming sword of the cherubim is naturally imaged in each and every subatomic particle, specifically electrons moving at rapid mind boggling speed in quantum orbital around the nucleus of photons in an atom. God's decision to place a cherubim at the Big Bang origination point of the natural universe is due to the fact that God anticipated mankind may one day invent technology capable of time travel.

    The future invention of a very real virtual molecular reality consisting of a nanotechnology generated nanotech swarm space probe will not be able to time travel beyond the Big Bang origination point of the natural universe. The concept of a nanotech swarm is explained in a book written by Dr. Raymond Kurzweil, entitled "When Computers Exceed Human Intelligence: The Age of Spiritual Machines" (Kurzweil,Raymond, When Computers Exceed Human Intelligence: The Age of Spiritual Machines , Penguin Putnam Inc. Copyright 1999, pp 145 – 146).

    It will be spectacularly grand, if someday we could produce a nanotech swarm generation reflecting Santa Claus as the fun joyous spirit of giving! Can you imagine the faces of soldiers manning an air defense machine gun post in the middle of the night when they see a molecularly real nanotech swarm generated Santa Claus flying into a hostile land to deliver toys, medicine, food, and clothing to children?

    The molecularly real nanotech swarm generated Santa Clause with Rudolph and six tiny reindeer will be impervious to bullets the dumbfounded soldiers attempt to fire. Who knows? Perhaps, the folklore of Old Saint Nick has originated from the distant future sending a molecularly real nanotech generated swarm representing Santa Clause back through time as a test.

    Staunch people who adamantly deny the existence of Santa Claus may be the very type of people who become oppressive dictators. The heart wrenching eloquently written poetic letter, ìYes Virginia, there is a Santa Clausî is powerful mematic content. A well known truism is, " the pen is mighter than the sword".

    Atheism is just another faith, belief system, or creed because the existence of God has not been scientifically proven or disproved. The atheistic viewpoint deserves respect. Atheist deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.

    Atheist are assigned a vital role in society. Atheist are the keepers of secularism. As the keepers of secularism, atheist play a vital role in helping society remain intact and preserved. Everyone has a job to do. Atheist help preserve a secular area of society where religious extremist can practice love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect.

    Society has a real need for secular law and justice. Secular law and justice provides a general consensus of right and wrong. Secular law and justice in a democratic society is based upon fair representation of a major cross section of the population. The need for secular law and justice is clearly illustrated when one considers such issues as: (1) should young children be forced to endanger their life by being pressured to handle poisonous snakes during a religious ceremony?, and (2) should parents be allowed to refuse medical treatment that could save the life of a child?.

    Many people with strong personal religious convictions may fear that too much tolerance and acceptance can potentially lead to a diluted watered down One World religious government. Ancient Scripture provides an extremely clear prophetic warning of the very real danger of establishment of a future one world religious government.

    The very real possibility of a future scenario in which a one world religious government could possibly arise means that the future destiny of mankind may include the most pervasively brutal oppressive dictatorship imaginable.

    If a watered down diluted one world religious government should ever arise (the potential danger is great) than that one world religious government would use every tool available to suppress personal individual freedom and liberty. A watered down diluted one world religious government that gradually becomes an oppressive dictatorship will deny the innate inherent right of an individual to pursue true happiness, life, and liberty. A watered down diluted one world religious government that gradually becomes a dictatorship will deny an individual freedom to practice religion of his or her choice.

    It seems only logical to conclude that a very real danger exist that advance technology (such as nanotechnology) may enable a brutal future oppressive dictatorship to engage in excessive ruthless control of the masses. In this context resistance to social change as a consequence of scientific progress can be better understood.

    Communism is the equal distribution of wealth among all citizens. It can be argued that the communistic system of government failed because in past history society did not have the proper tool to equally distribute wealth fairly among all citizens.

    It can be argued by staunch communist advocates that wealth was distributed unequally in early history of communism because communist leaders did not have the proper tool to distribute wealth.

    The computer can be viewed as the proper tool to equally distribute wealth among all citizens. The computer is the proper tool to equally distribute wealth fairly among all citizens because the computer is the perfect record keeping system.

    We depend more each day on computers to solve complex problems since computers are the perfect record keeping system. The more complex problems computers solve for us, the more we place our trust in computers.

    The equal distribution of wealth among all citizens requires a perfect record keeping system. The ultimate communism can be created by a complex Artificial Intelligent central computer possessing an obsessive/compulsive personality.

    The staunch advocates of communism may rationalize the failure of the communistic system of government by asserting that pass injustice in communist society is due to the fact communist leaders did not possess necessary tools to fairly and equally distribute wealth.

    People trust each other less with each passing day. People trust computers more with each passing day. The recent scandals in corporate America involving fraudulent accounting practices have contributed to great mistrust of other people, who are our neighbors and fellow citizens. Today, we as a collective society are trying to restore and rebuild confidence and trust in a free market society.

    It is very ironic and difficult to understand how modern society can possess computers – the perfect record keeping system to make accounting practices quick and efficient – yet have such a major break down leading toward scandals in corporate America pertaining to fraudulent accounting practices. Some body fell asleep on the job.

    God has given us freedom. God is watching carefully how we as a collective human civilization decide to use the gift of freedom. God has given us intelligence. God is watching carefully how we as a collective human civilization decide to use the gift of intelligence.

    God intervenes by natural means. God has intervened in human history by giving us the text of Ancient Scripture. The term Ancient Scripture is a reference to all the many Holy Books of many religions. All the major religions have central themes.

    Ancient Scripture contains a very serious prophetic warning of the very real danger of emergence of the most pervasively brutal complete totalitarian Dictatorship imaginable. Advanced science and technology provides tools that may potentially enable the most pervasively brutal complete totalitarian Dictatorship imaginable.

    We, as intelligent people, can heed the warning contained in ancient scripture. I do not believe any human desires to have cherished spiritual values, imparted during their upbringing, watered down and diluted to the point spiritual values become meaningless.

    God calls us to burn bright and shine in our chosen religious community. God, also calls us to practice practice love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect. The goal of every religion should be to increase love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect. Secularism is a gift that allows religious extremist, comprising a large majority of the population, to practice love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect.

    God has intervened in human history by giving us text of Holy Books belonging to every religion. Since God has intervened in human history by giving us text of Ancient Scripture we may be able to avoid complete destruction of the earth.

    God has given us freedom as a gift. Determinism is the belief that there is nothing we can do as individuals to change the future. Determinism is the belief that the future destiny of mankind is sealed. Determinism is the belief the future cannot be changed.

    If each and every individual chooses to practice love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect for one's neighbor, but yet, hold steadfast to our own religious values, then we may be able to (1) move progressively forward applying scientific knowledge to invent better tools that help us make the earth a better place for all people to live regardless of race, creed, gender, or ethnic origin, and (2) prevent the ascendancy of the most brutal oppressive dictatorship imaginable by burning bright, adhering steadfast to one's religious convictions, but yet wisely and prudently working to increase love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect for one's neighbor.

    Since God has intervened by giving us text comprising Holy Books of many religions, we whom God has given intelligence, can decide not to join or participate in a watered down diluted one world religious system of government. Our decision to not participate in a watered down diluted one world system of government may avert formation of the most brutal oppressive dictatorship imaginable.

    A complete rejection of secularism can also lead to a brutal oppressive dictatorship, and eventually destruction of earth. The movement of human civilization toward the future may be like carefully balancing and walking a tight rope high up in the air.

    Secularism may be considered the general consensus of "good people" contemplating difficult challenging problems. For example, I think the general consensus of most people is that a child who is not of the age to consent should not be forced to repeatedly endanger his or her life by participating in a religious ceremony of handling deadly poisonous snakes.

    However, snake handling may be a valid expression of faith for a consenting adult who is of sound mind. I , personally, do not practice snake handling. Perhaps, my not practicing snake handling is a personal failure on my part. Many snake handlers may not feel moved by the spirit to share convictions by posting on the internet. Perhaps, this may be considered a personal failure of another person. No human on earth is perfect.

    Suppose the majority of religious extremist avidly believed in snake handling and adamantly rejected any form of secular law protecting children not capable of consent. Eventually, the rejection of secular law by the majority of religious extremist would lead to anarchy. Anarchy would create social conditions conducive to ascendancy of the most brutal oppressive dictatorship imaginable.

    Yes, each of us must be vigilant, burn bright, and shine in our chosen faith communities. However, we must also challenge ourselves to grow by practicing love, tolerance, patience, understanding, and respect.

    Ultimately, God is the only One who can save us. We cannot save ourselves. WE MUST TRUST IN GOD'S GUIDANCE.

    I have often pondered how Timothy McVeigh could valiantly defend democracy by serving in the military only to return home to kill and cripple thousands of innocent people. I sometimes wonder if Timothy McVeigh's lawyers should have argued cultural indoctrination supported delusional believe system which contributed to Timothy McVeigh's insanity. Since cultural indoctrination supported Timothy McVeigh's delusional believes than life imprisonment is a more appropriate punishment.

    From what I have read in the newspapers and heard via televised accounts, Timothy McVeigh may have actually believed the act of bombing Oklahoma state building was an effort to prevent ascendancy of a one world religious governmental system controlled by a brutal oppressive dictatorship. I believe society can learn from the Timothy McVeigh case. I believe society can learn lessons about how we, as individuals, process ideology.

    The true enemies of democracy may be among us playing freedom like a fiddler. We, who seek truth should not be fooled by them into taking the law into our own hands. We who seek truth should be committed to life and liberty.

    God has blessed us with intelligence to learn, grow, and change our behavior. God has given us gifts to empower us to instigate positive constructive change. The believe that their is nothing we can do to change the future can lead to hopelessness and despair.

    Some people may continually wait for God to sweep down and rescue us. Someday, He may, but, until than spiritual values of any sort obligates us to use gifts of intelligence and spiritual values to make the world a better place to live for all people regardless of race, creed, gender, or ethnic origin.

    Mark
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    Wonderful Life Foundation
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  13. bugstuff Says:

    Re:Ironically Natural Selection is Proof God Exist

    Hadis wrote:
    >You make the assumption that your God created >humans in his image… even though no image of >God has ever been seen. This assumption is >brought about by hundreds and hundreds of years >of egotistical philosophers and priests that >believed this universe and everything in it was >created for us. God did not give us his image… >we gave him ours.

    My Reply:
    Please read my new post entitled, Meat and Potatoes. In my new post I emphatically state if an adult man or woman of sound mind feels a need to embrace atheism as a believe system, than he or she should practice atheism.

    It is commonly known that atheism is just another faith, belief system, or creed. The existence of God has not been scientifically proven or disproved. No one has ever traveled back through time to the Accelerated Genesis Process before the Big Bang.

    I vindicate your inherent innate right to express your view. I uphold the philosophy, "I am okay and you are okay".

    In my post Meat and Potatoes I clearly state: Atheist are assigned a vital role in society. Atheist are the keepers of secularism. As the keepers of secularism, atheist play a vital role in helping society remain intact and preserved. Everyone has a job to do.

    However, people who share my believe in God have an innate inherent right to be heard and thereby place their stamp upon future institutions. I also validate the inherent innate right of people who share your believe system to be heard and place their stamp upon future institutions. I discuss this in full detail in my post Meat and Potatoes.

    Atheist can be just as egotistical as all those "philosophers and priests that believed this universe and everything in it was created for us". Everything in the universe is not designed for atheist either.

    Hadis wrote:
    >As for the comment about genetically altered >food. Eating carrots doesnt cause cancer. If >scientists created a carrot that made a chemical >totally safe for humans that made insect cringe >at the thought of getting near it or possibly >giving carrots some kind of husk like corn I >dont see how eating this could cause cancer.

    My Reply:

    I stated genetically engineered foodstuff MAY cause cancer in 30 or 40 years to illustrate and reinforce my opinion that it is foolish to deny starving people in Africa genetically engineered food locked in a warehouse. People who are starving may die in 2 or 3 months, so therefore in my opinion it is foolish to deny genetically engineered food that may eventually cause health problems in the distant future.

    I never asserted that genetically engineered foodstuff has been proven to cause cancer. Genetically engineered foodstuff may be completely safe and never cause any type of health problems.

    I stated that I would eat genetically engineered food. I also stated various groups need to work to insure the food supply is as safe as possible.

    If scientist discover a carrot that has a husk to protect it from insects, I would think this is a fantastic discovery and would be 100% supportive of the new carrot.

    Hadis wrote:
    >If God helps those who help themselves why do we >get so many religious fundamentalists that >believe in that statement and at the same time >wish to slow scientific research and advances to >a crawl.

    My Reply:
    Please read my new post entitled Meat and Potatoes for a more full understanding of fundamentalist believes.

    An excerpt from my post Meat and Potatoes may provide an answer to your question:

    It seems only logical to conclude that a very real danger exist that advance technology (such as nanotechnology) may enable a brutal future oppressive dictatorship to engage in excessive ruthless control of the masses. In this context resistance to social change as a consequence of scientific progress can be better understood.

    Thank you for your contribution.

    Mark
    Founder, Webmaster, Executive Director
    Wonderful Life Foundation

  14. Corwin Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    Appropriate quote:

    'Dude, you are doing just WAY too many drugs.'

    -The Chosen One, to Hakunnin. Fallout 2 by Interplay.

  15. bhoover Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    Appropriate quote:

    'Dude, you are doing just WAY too many drugs.'

    -The Chosen One, to Hakunnin. Fallout 2 by
    Interplay.

    Ya know, I did have the sneaking suspicion there was something wrong with my thinking. I mean, everyone else seems so calm, and stoic about everything. It's a good thing there's people like you around to put people like me back in line when we need it. With people like you, and don't ask don't television.. well, lets just say, thinking is the least of my worries! Thanks citizen!

  16. Corwin Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    I don't know about you, but I haven't watched tv in several months.

    But then I can put a rational, coherent thought pattern together…

  17. bugstuff Says:

    The Age of the Dinosaur is the Final Product

    Corwin Wrote:

    >1) Evolution of an organism is influenced by >particular, predictable factors. Mutation is >(generally) random. Evolution != mutation. >Mutations occur randomly. Whether or not a >mutation becomes a survival adaptation is not >random at all, but follows any of several well >understood forms.

    My Reply:

    Thank you for your concession that there is some degree of randomness involved in the evolutionary process of Darwinian Natural Selection. I would like to point out that in previous post you adamently argued that the evolutionary process did not include any degree of randomness.

    Likewise, I, as a believer in Divinity, shall concede the evolutionary process involves some degree of order or predictable factors. It is wonderful when people with different views can find an area of mutual understanding and agreement. It is wonderful when people with different views can learn from each other.

    The evolutionary process involves the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which states there is a tendency of disorder in ordered systems.

    Whether or not a mutation becomes a survival adaptation depends upon an extremely improbable event that a genetic mutation will express a biological trait that fits a highly specific ecological niche.

    Most genetic mutations lead to internal physiological events that are inherently lethal to the organism. IF the genetic mutation, in and of itself does not kill the organism, it may survive and try to live.

    IF the genetically mutated organism survives for any length of time it must fit into a highly specific ecological niche. The probability of survival of a mutated organism is remote.

    The chances are astronomical that the mutated organism will be defective (not capable of adaptation or fitting a specific ecological niche). A defective mutated organism will be eaten alive by creatures possessing genetic mutations that have successfully adapted to a specific ecological niche.

    Darwinian natural selection involves two sets of numbers that reflect vast astronomical statistical improbability. The first set of improbabilities involves whether or not a genetic mutation itself will kill the organism. The second set of improbabilities involves the remote chance the genetic mutation will fit a highly specific ecological niche.

    I, as a believer in Divinity, concede that evolution is an ordered chain of events. In early prehistoric times the chain of events involving evolutionary processes of Darwinian natural selection produced the age of the dinosaur.

    God allowed the chain of events of Darwinian Natural Selection to ramble on its natural course to produce the age of the dinosaur to demonstrate to modern man the ultimate natural product of evolution.

    I put forth the conjecture that the age of the dinosaur is the ultimate final product of Darwinian Natural Selection when natural selection is allowed to ramble on its own natural course without any intervention from God.

    Scientist have demonstrated that many animal species display intelligence. Gorillas and chimpanzees have been taught to use sign language.

    Since a variety of animal species display a form of intelligence, it is not necessarily true that human intelligence is an adaptation that completely explains how mankind survived and dominated the earth. Intelligent fierce brutal beast are more perfectly adapted to survive in hostile volcanic environments of prehistoric earth.

    Crowin Wrote:

    >In addition, ID is pure psudeoscience, and >has been completely debunked repeatedly.

    My Reply:

    The existence of God has never been proved or disproved. In the final analysis, it simply comes down to what one chooses to believe. Evolution is refuted. Creationism is refuted. Theology that paints evolution as a Divine Creative Process that occurred over a span of millions of years is refuted.

    Please see my discussion of atheism in my post entitled MEAT AND POTATOES. It is commonly known that atheism is just another faith, creed, or believe system.

    In my discourse, entitled Meat and Potatoes I emphatically state that athiest play a vital role in society. In my discourse entitled, Meat and Potatoes I discuss how athiest help to keep society intact and preserved. Everyone has a job to do.

    Corwin Wrote:

    >You are of the strip of creationists that sees >any reference to an adaptation and MUST >interject your religious drivel into it. News >flash… we… don't… care. Get over it.

    My Reply:

    Who is this mythical "we" to whom you refer? I am sure many people out there in cyberspace who happen to be devout evoluntionist are jumping up and down, clapping, shouting, hollowing, 'you tell him Corwin!'

    Likewise, many people who believe in God may very much appreciate my comments and thoughts. Many people in cyberspace inclined to believe in God may be jumping up and down, clapping, shouting, and hollowing, 'you tell him Mark'

    People who share my believe in God have an innate inherent right to be heard and thereby place their stamp upon future institutions. I also validate the inherent innate right of people who share your believe system to be heard and place their stamp upon future institutions. I discuss this in full detail in my post Meat and Potatoes.

    Hadis wrote:

    >You make the assumption that your God created >humans in his image… even though no image of >God has ever been seen. This assumption is >brought about by hundreds and hundreds of years >of egotistical philosophers and priests that >believed this universe and everything in it was >created for us. God did not give us his image… >we gave him ours.

    My Reply:

    Atheist can be just as egotistical as all those "philosophers and priests that believed this universe and everything in it was created for us". Everything in the universe is not designed for atheist either.

  18. bugstuff Says:

    Resonable Doubt in a Court of Law

    Corwin wrote:

    >Evolution is not a random process. Your >insistence that it is simply proves that like >most creationists, you know nothing about >evolutionary theory.

    My Reply:

    You, as a devout evolutionist, adamantly argue evolution is not at all random. In later post included in this thread, I respond to your assertion that evolution is not at all random by pointing out that natural selection begins with genetic mutation.

    In later post included in this thread, you, a devout evolutionist, finally concede that the incredibly vast number of molecular rearrangements and combinations of the DNA strand involves some degree of randomness.

    Likewise, as a believer in God, I concede in later post included in this thread that the evolutionary process includes a certain degree of order. Evolution involves the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which states there is a tendency of disorder in ordered systems.

    It is wonderful when people with different views can find an area of mutual understanding and agreement.

    Please read my two new Nanodot.org Online Forum post entitled, (1)The Age of the Dinosaur is the Final Product, and (2)MEAT AND POTATOES.

    Corwin wrote:

    >That having been said, the random process itself >wouldn't prove this God thingy of yours existed >even if you were right.

    My Response:

    One possible area of misunderstanding is people may think I assert that random processes alone represent absolute proof of Godís existence.

    Random chaotic processes of evolution do not represent absolute complete total proof of the existence of God. In a court of law, a lawyer builds a case by presenting exhibits. Each exhibit is a shred of evidence. In a court of law, all a lawyer needs to do to win a case is to establish reasonable doubt in the minds of twelve jury members.

    The existence of God has never been proved or disproved. In the final analysis, it simply comes down to what one chooses to believe. Evolution is refuted. Creationism is refuted. Theology that paints evolution as a Divine Creative Process that occurred over a span of millions of years is refuted.

    >And third…. CREATIONISM AND EVOLUTION HAVE >NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE TOPIC!!!!!!!!!

    My Response:

    The central theme of the original post about the amazing climbing ability of the Gecko lizard is Adaptation. The central theme of Adaptation has everything to do with creationism and evolution.

    Plus, in my new post entitled, MEAT AND POTATOES, I discuss how the central theme of adaptation is nearing the heart of matter pertaining what the Nanodot.org Online Forum should be about, social adaptation. Social Adaptation or the process of "preparing society for the coming era of Nanotechnology", is the ultimate reason for the design of Nanodot.org online Forum.

    Sorry it took me so long to address these issues. I felt it more important to address the issue of polific secularization in my post entitled Meat and Potatoes.

  19. bugstuff Says:

    Human Intelligence High on a Pedestal!

    Hadis wrote:

    >You make the assumption that your God created >humans in his image… even though no image of >God has ever been seen. This assumption is >brought about by hundreds and hundreds of years >of egotistical philosophers and priests that >believed this universe and everything in it was >created for us. God did not give us his image… >we gave him ours.

    My Reply:

    I think the assertion that human intelligence is an adaptation that explains how mankind survived and dominated the earth is a very egotistical assumption. Futhermore, the assertion that human intelligence is a purely a biologically endowed survival adaptation trait puts human intelligence high on a pedestal and unrealistically elevates human intelligence.

    I put forth the conjecture that the age of the dinosaur is the ultimate final product of Darwinian Natural Selection when natural selection is allowed to ramble on its own natural course without any intervention from God.

    Scientist have demonstrated that many animal species display intelligence. Gorillas and chimpanzees have been taught to use sign language.

    Since a variety of animal species display a form of intelligence, it is not necessarily true that human intelligence is an adaptation that completely explains how mankind survived and dominated the earth. Intelligent fierce brutal beast are more perfectly adapted to survive in hostile volcanic environments of prehistoric earth.

  20. bugstuff Says:

    No Magic

    Corwin Wrote:

    >Without 'faith' we would have had nanotech >years ago. For too long we've been fighting >against religious nutcases who pass laws banning >research and pull research funding sources… >and why? 'Gawd doesn't want us to know these >things…. what gives you the right to play >God?!?!?!?!?'

    As a believer in God, I do agree that religious communities may at times exercise undue, unnecessary, and excessive restraint upon social progress.

    I think an excerpt from one of my previous post entitled, A Peaceful Non-Violent Jihad: A Spiritual Struggle to Make the World a Better Place to Live! is relevent:

    God can guide social progress. All who adhere to many creeds and religious convictions and are inspired to make a positive constructive contribution to society form one body. According to Ancient Scripture, the one body has many members.

    The one body has many members each with a separate mission. If I, as the feet, spur the horse to gallop faster, someone with helping hands, exercising a Divine mission, will pull the reigns of restraint at the proper time such that our galloping horse will reach the destination that God intends.

    Democracy is a distributive system that orchestrates the balance of power in such fashion as to facilitate positive constructive social progress. In this I have faith, that God will guide social progress.

    Our valiant effort to create a better future can only succeed by the grace of God. Success of our valiant efforts to create a better future will be a true miracle.

    Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. The human reptilian brain includes an innate natural instinct known to psychologist as the death instinct. We as human individuals have an innate natural tendency to quit, give up, and die.

    Corwin Wrote:

    >All the prayers in the world won't make it >happen…. just a lot of hard work…

    As stated in one of my previous post, Magic does not exist. Every occurance on earth and in heaven has a price.

  21. Corwin Says:

    Re:Human Intelligence High on a Pedestal!

    Care to explain that one? Human intelligence is a survival adaptation. If that's an egotistical statement, then so be it.

    Possibly I should restate that…

    Human intelligence is a survival adaptation that enables other survival adaptations. To use your dinosaur analogy as an example, let's assume modern humans and dinosaurs coexist. Oh no… that Allosaur is about 15 times bigger than I am and has big nasty teeth! It's gonna rip me apart!!!! I guess I'll just have to pull my Desert Eagle and give it lead poisoning. (The steel jacket makes injecting the lead at high velocity a lot easier…)

    Viola. I survive to breed. The Allosaur, (who now sports a lovely hole in its skull roughly the size of my fist…) does not.

  22. bhoover Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    I don't know about you, but I haven't watched tv in several months.

    But then I can put a rational, coherent thought pattern together…

    OK.. So speaking of rational, coherent thought patterns, what's your point? You lost me when you started talking about video games. Perhaps that's it – video games are the source of your problems.

    Point is, write something constructive. I'd really like to know your thoughts. If you don't understand mine, ask questions.

    Obscure references to video games, attempts to invalidate arguments through character assassination, or insubstantiated arguments of reductio ad absurdum are, well, absurd – Game Over, You Lose. Get over it :) .

    Bryan

  23. bhoover Says:

    Re:Defending My Post

    1) Evolution != mutation. Mutations occur randomly. Whether or not a mutation becomes a survival adaptation is not random at all, but follows any of several well understood forms.

    Excellent point, and it takes a lot of air out of creationist argument by showing that evolution does not preclude non-random events, and thus the need for God as a prime mover. Paradoxically, in the interest of discloser, this nevertheless holds no sway with me in terms of my faith in God.

    But here's the reason I'm posting:

    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/1998/gels.html

    A link regarding random processes, evolution.

    Also, if one is going to debate creationism verses evolution, random verses non-random events, perhaps there should be made a distinction between the actual creation of life (going back to the first single celled organism), and the survival of the fittest evolutionary process that followed.

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