Jurvetson sees nanotechnology innovation wave
Michael Kanellos of CNET News.com writes of a recent lecture by venture capitalist and Foresight Senior Associate Steve Jurvetson: "Nanotech will tap nature's potential, investor says". "Speaking at the Hot Chips conference at Stanford University, Jurvetson asserted that nanotechnology–the ability to make products on the molecular level–will usher in the next great wave of innovation despite the recent cancellation of Nanosys' high-profile initial public offering. That revolution will occur, in part, because scientists will be able to harness or imitate the power of nature."
Michael Kanellos writing of a recent lecture by Steve Jurvetson continues:
Researchers at NASA Ames laboratories, for instance, have discovered a virus that lives inside hot springs that exudes a "bizarre heat-shock protein," he said. When extracted, boiled and dried, a sheet of these proteins will leave a small array of metal posts. Conceivably, this material could be used by semiconductor makers.
Jurvetson acknowledged that any commercial implementation of the discovery by NASA is remote, but it underscores how scientists from different disciplines are opening up new avenues of discovery in nature that could result in commercially exploitable technology.
Kanellos reports that Jurvetson cited two other companies developing nanotechnology innovations based on imitating nature.
August 25th, 2004 at 11:24 AM
*yawn*
…boring…
August 26th, 2004 at 7:37 AM
Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Reading these posts must warm a few hearts at the Foresight institute. It is, after all, their stated goal to ensure everyone and his dog knows what nanotechnology means. The statement mentioned in this article is made by a member of Foresight, so it really does not count, but there really is more talk about nanotechnology these days by people less and less knowledgable. It is a truly unprecedented experience, because never before has there been a technology that needed so much explanation. You can point to a car and see its benefit, complicated theories leading to creation of lasers do not need to be understood to imagine "sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads", and even nuclear weapons have easily demonstrable effects. But nanotechnology is pretty much pure science these days, with nothing one can see or touch, and, sadly, nobody really understands it despite Foresight's efforts. The buzzword is here, and it is used for pretty much anything small, which has pretty much obliterated its original meaning. Furthermore, statements like the one mentioned in the article talk about the benefits of real MNT, while not doing any research in areas other than surface coatings and chrystals. Even the perceived benefits are mostly taken as "magic": "Nanobots will fix us up and we'll live forever! They will solve our energy crisis, let us explore the stars, turn us into immortal gods and let us rule the Earth, the galaxy, and the entire universe! They will be our saviours and they will do it all for free without using any energy or materials!" At this point some researcher would probably smack the speaker on the head, like in the old Dilbert cartoon, and say "I can make pants with a nanocoating that will repel stains", to which the chastised speaker would meekly respond: "Well, sure. A lot of people want that." It is pretty clear that what Foresight has accomplished, is heighten everyone's awareness of magic, which is defined as "a force that does anything you wish for without anyone having to understand how exactly it does it." Thanks to Foresight, magic is everywhere and MNT, sadly, is not even on the horizon because nobody except Eric Drexler knows how it might work.
August 27th, 2004 at 9:04 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
I wish we had molecular nanotechnology now. It isn't fair that we don't have it now. We should have had molecular assemblers decades ago. The human race should have estimated molecular manufacturing basic concepts back at the turn of the 20th century, at least. Marvin Minsky once said how the Scanning Probe Microscope could have been invented back in the days of the early electron microscopes in the 1920s. Its just not fair. Please pardon me if I sound whiny about this. I am disgusted that humanity is so backwards, in that they waste millions, billions, and trillions of dollars on hollow garbage, like wars and useless escapades, instead of directing those resources into such wondrous fields as Molecular Nanotechnology. Let's make a little mental adventure into a fictional alternate Earth time line, for a moment, in which things went like this: 1920 AD: Atoms are officially accepted as real, tangible entities, sure, made from condensed vibrations of the quantum realm, but real and MANIPULABLE nevertheless. 1930 AD: United States and Europe create joint "Molecular Manipulation World Organization" with the sole task of building Assemblers made from atoms. 1950 AD: Proto Assemblers based on Scanning Probe Microscopes based on Electron Microscopes are built, these can pick and place individual molecules and molecular parts, and snap them together. 1970 AD: Self Replicating Diamondoid Assemblers have been constructed. A young prodigy named Eric Drexler and his colleague, Gerard O`Neil, are fully backed by the American government and numerous companies to use the new self replicating nano machine assemblers to start construction of a gigantic orbiting cylinder. Constructed of diamondoid-titanium composites, the structure spins for gravity, and will contain its own ecosystem. 1990 AD: General Purpose Molecular Nano Replicators have been in use for over ten years, able to make anything chemically stable according to software programming. In this same year Drexler Probes are dispatched. Millions of Self Replicating Nano machine systems using solar sails, they are sent into the rest of the universe to construct habitats for humans. 2010 AD: The Earth is a green planet with no pollution, and there is material abundance and electricity for everyone born. There are dangers with criminals and terrorists abusing new technologies, but there is no more material lack. Early Medical Nanites are cleaning cells and arteries, people live longer, and most humans have a Molecular Armor Shield woven into their bodies; protecting them from any damage except molecular and nuclear weapons. So how do you all like my alternate time line? It could have happened.
August 28th, 2004 at 8:54 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
The funny thing about this is…we probably DO have MNT now…it's just no one wants to share it, because if they did, they would lose ALL of their power.
There are many of us who think that that a working, primitive assembler has been in use for over a decade now (perhaps even longer) – and Drexler, himself, will not disregard these claims.
And as you've pointed out already, there have been no significant advances in Chemistry and Physics since 1920 – so we've basically had the knowledge to construct this technology since then.
August 28th, 2004 at 9:11 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
All I can say in reply to you Kadamose, is, thank you for being willing to say what you did. I have had this exact same line of thought for some time now. Eric Drexler is a very, very smart man, and I remember some newspaper or magazine interview he was involved in back in the early or middle 1990s, in which he said the ones with the greatest budget for true working MNT in this day and age are the military complex and large military-contract corporations. That hit the nail head on. The problem, ofcourse, is, that there is no solid way for you and I and other people who are into MNT, to "prove" the existence of any classified assembler work, sadly. But it is interesting to think about. Where do you believe the major assembler breakthrough will come from? Biological engineering, or, computer chip research?
August 28th, 2004 at 9:28 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
The breakthrough will be on both sides of the fence – both 'wet' and 'dry' Nanotechnology will eventually combine and there won't be anything to distinguish the two.
Many people are aiming for the 'dry' side of Nanotechnology…but the truth is, the 'wet' side is light years ahead at the moment.
For instance, mankind has been able to create synthetic viruses for over 50 years now…and one of the first 'synthetic' viruses to be created was the Aids virus. Unfortunately, that was an experiment that went awry and could not be contained. Years later, another manmade virus was created that was intentionally created as a weapon – the world knows it as the Ebola virus.
Of course, this information is nothing new, and has been circulating among the many other conspiracy theories for years…but I will tell you this…everything that people think they know is wrong.
August 30th, 2004 at 8:09 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
How can you say you are into science and not have any facts to bolster your claims? Science is, at its core, observations of events that happen with some predictibility and analysis of these observations. You only offer conjecture. In the end, all you believe are fairy tales. In the end, all you have are weak hypotheses with very low probabilities of actually being true. What's the difference between believing that MNT is alive in the Pentagon and that AIDS was created by mankind and believing that, say, the Holocaust never happened? The answer is none, really, because they are both bad science.
August 30th, 2004 at 8:50 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
I have talked to someone who works on classified projects in the UK. He said that secret military research progresses quite slowly since by its very nature there is no international sharing of information or collaboration. They mostly rely on scientific work from the normal open science arena. Bearing this in mind, it is not so likely that the military will secretly make some breakthrough in fundamental science.
August 30th, 2004 at 11:03 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
I do have facts. You should read Dr Horowitz's book 'Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola – Nature, Accident or Genocide?' – all of the answers are there.
People who accept information such as "this virus was made from monkeys and was passed on by eating monkey meat" are the same people who believe in the manmade, non-existent god.
Rule of thumb: The majority of the people on this planet are stupid, and therefore, will accept any information – even if there are no facts to back it up. It's a very sad truth.
August 31st, 2004 at 1:01 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Funny, you forgot to mention your source on the MNT in the Pentagon… I'm sure Dr. Horowitz has an interesting theory, but you accept it as fact. If you were a true scientist, you would take that with a grain of salt, not as doctrine. However, if you are a conspiracy theorist, do whatever the hell you want. No one's going to care what hare-brained theories you come up with, no matter how true they may be. People who accept information as always being true don't really understand the nature of information.
September 1st, 2004 at 8:45 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
There were Soviet KGB agents who were also involved. Sadly, Kadamose, the humanist mindset is what has led to many people believing it is a good thing to see masses of third world people killed off by viruses, the idea that the Earth is overpopulated has led people to say "If the world is over populated the best way to deal with it is to get rid of as many of the excess people as possible." Isn't that sad?
September 1st, 2004 at 4:58 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
The fact that Kadamose hasn't responded shows that he would rather live a lie than concede he was wrong. Or maybe he's busy playing or discussing video games.
September 1st, 2004 at 5:20 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Respond to what? Proof that there is MNT development in the military, etc? I never said there was any proof (yet) – it's just an assumption that's most likely true. I'm not the only one who believes this, either. There's too many inconsistencies in our current technological development for it not to be true.
By the way, I'm not sure it's cool to point to articles that are over 6 years old. Everyone here basically knows I was/am a pirate, so thanks for the free advertisement.
September 1st, 2004 at 6:53 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were afraid of the truth. I suppose someone put those articles there by time-travelling to the past in order to frame you. I think the Sasquatch living in the face on Mars did it, personally. That guy is a bastard and owes me 5 bucks.
All joking aside, Kadamose, you have to sit down and think what all these conspiracy theories are accomplishing. In the end, they promote bad science, just like creation science and the Piltdown man.
Assume for a second that MNT does not exist. There are people trying to create it. I am one of them. Is it better to tell the future engineers and scientists that it is already there and they just have to wait for it or is it better to tell them that the future depends on them and they have to try their best to work on it? If they believe your uncorroborated ideas, nothing's going to get done. Furthermore, we have to force kids to un-learn this bad information. It's like a swarm of hoax emails slowing down a mail server.
Of course, there's the scenario where you don't give a damn about humanity. If that's the case, I would like to ask you kindly stop interacting with humanity. Hey, if you don't like Earth, get the hell out!
September 1st, 2004 at 9:13 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Well I agree with you to an extent – however, you have to keep in mind that the 'official' words (the ones that supposedly are backed up by facts that really don't exist in the first place) are just as bad, if not worse, than the conspiracy theories. Therefore, it really it comes down to what Socrates said more than 2 millenia ago "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
As for not giving a damn about humanity, that's not true in a certain perspective. Though I currently despise everything the human race currently stands for, I do have a small hope that, one day, humanity will wake up and become divine. The only problem with that is, people are perfectly content on being the self-destructive scumbags they currently are, and have no desire to become something even greater; instead, they want things to stay the way they are right now, forever – this is why many people are so desperate on unlocking the secrets of immortality.
'True' Nanotechnology will be the LAST technology of the human race, and it's my one and only hope of very achieving the desires I have for this world. If humanity does not want godhood and the ability to shape our own realities at will, then mankind definitely deserves to be wiped out.
September 1st, 2004 at 10:22 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
I'm not sure what you mean by divine, but if you are for humanity being freer one day, then I am all for it. A day where people can create as easily as they destroy is a day I long for.
As for nanotechnology being the last technology of the human race, I'm not sure I agree. In one sense it will be the first. And who is to say we know or will ever know everything about technology? Your quote from Socrates can back me up here.
If you truly believe nanotechnology will be the savior of mankind, I encourage you to provide constructive comments. Nihilist pessimism and far-out theories appeal to a certain part of our psyche just as soothsaying and astrology appeal to others. But these conspiracy theories in the end will encourage people to give up. You can be content in saying mankind is doomed, but in the end you are giving up and implying to others there is no hope. Sometimes all people need to create the next technology is a little encouragement, as dumb as that sounds.
And, in the end, if you do believe these theories, I suggest you work to confirm them. Use science, don't complain about it. Science isn't some esoteric arcane discipline; it's what we use everyday. When people check if the bathwater is too hot by putting their finger in, they are making an observation and analyzing it. That is science. In essence, science is inherent to being human. When people give up on science, they give up on life.
So, Kadamose, to sum up, I encourage you with these ideas, but, please, PLEASE, provide references when you can and say when something is a conspiracy theory. This isn't about etiquette or censorship or mindless rule-following — it's about using your humanity and not taking it for granted.
September 2nd, 2004 at 12:32 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
The dictionary's definition of 'divine':
Superhuman; godlike.
Supremely good or beautiful; magnificent
Extremely pleasant; delightful
Heavenly; perfect.
I believe that humans have the capability to achieve this; all they have to do is open their eyes, forget about the past and the primitive beliefs of their ancestors, and seek the truth as to why we exist in the first place. We cannot understand how the universe works, unless we understand who we are first. The term I've always liked is, 'We are gods with a severe case of amnesia".
September 2nd, 2004 at 1:12 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Yes, thank you for the dictionary definition. I could have done that myself. What I would have liked is a more precise meaning from you. What does it mean to be superhuman? Do you mean people will become beings of pure energy or something? Or do you think we will just have increased physical capabilities? To say we will be gods is a somewhat cryptic statement as God has never really been defined.
We can understand the universe without understanding ourselves since we can use our brain without understanding how it works. From what I have learned and observed, we will never escape our own physicality. There was, however, a doctor who did an experiment where he wrote down a number on a piece of paper and placed on a high shelf in an envelope. A subject was in the same room and on a bed and fell asleep. During the night he claimed to release his spirit or something and his spirit read the number. When he woke up, he supposedly gave the number. After this incident, he was never heard from again. This sounds like a bunch of crap to me, honestly. I'm guessing the doctor made this up or it's just an urban legend altogether. However, if you can come up with proof of this experiment, it would be a good start.
But, from what you have just said, this all sounds like a bunch of speculation and misguided instinct. You seem to throw out the notion that you can be wrong. That's a bad habit and it has led to a bunch of bad things.
Kadamose, I challenge you to come up with evidence to support your claims. I mean, if you believe it, surely there is evidence that can convince others, right?
September 2nd, 2004 at 3:20 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
My definition of divine means the ability to emulate the universe – to create anything that we can possibly imagine, and doing it with compassion. That is my definition of a godlike being.
Also, it's true that we can understand the universe through observation and learn how stuff works…but we'll never know WHY it exists, until we find the meaning of our very own existence…which has yet to be done. Unfortunately, more people are more concerned with the how, than the why, so we'll probably never know our true purpose until a paridgm shift occurs that makes the 'why' equally important to the 'how'.
As for the claim of MNT currently in use by the military/government, I currently have no proof at this time, but I am quite sure that will change very soon. My other beliefs (i.e. Aids and Ebola were manmade, and human beings were created by an alien race known as the Anunnaki) are all based on facts, that have yet to be discredited.
If you want references to the above material, then I will be more than happy to share; there's more than one source.
September 2nd, 2004 at 4:09 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Are you talking about The Sirius Mystery? I'll admit the information the Dogon provided about Sirius is interesting, but the rest of that book is rubbish in my opinion: poorly written and making huge leaps of logic. I would not be surprised if the reason for the Dogon's knowledge is just a matter of happenstance and some unusually round numbers found in nature (i.e. the 50 year cycle of the stars). Recall that hindsight is 20/20. Taking their knowledge and applying it to the phenomenon of the Sirius system could just show an interesting result due to our own anthropomorphic bias. On the other hand, it could be true. But then you'd have to wonder why they would decide to come over here and do it. It takes a LOT of energy to travel between stars, no matter how one does it. I'm sure there's many reasons as to why travelling to civilizations is inefficient. This puts the burden of proof on you.
September 2nd, 2004 at 9:54 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Actually, Travis, they have. Repeatedly. With big diagrams and small, unconfusing words. You just wave your hands and say that its a conspiracy to hide the truth/erroneous in spite of direct observational and experimental data/just plain stupid shut up shut up shut up!
September 3rd, 2004 at 10:09 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
Oh, so you've finally decided to de-lurk…how trite.
As far as discrediting is concerned…this was done by whom? When? There has been no 'scientific' data to discredit any of this – only religious babble.
September 3rd, 2004 at 11:18 AM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
It's pretty much the same thing, yes. The story goes that there is an extra planet within our very own solar system that has an eliptical orbit of 3,600 years around the sun, and passes between Mars and Jupiter. Approximately 4 billion years ago, this rogue planet called Nibiru (also known as Marduk) collided with a planet four times the size of Earth called Tiamat, and destroyed more than half of the planet – the remaining remnants of that planet became Earth. During this collision, the 'seed of life' was passed on from Nibiru to Earth, but due to the massive damage caused, the life on earth went into hibernation, while the life on Nibiru began to flourish and evolve.
About 1 billion years passed before the life that had been seeded on Earth would wake up and begin to evolve on its own.
In the meantime, the hominidae on Nibiru were already evolving on schedule, and had quite a head start over the life on EArth.
Then, about 450,000 years ago, the inhabitants of Nibiru were facing a crisis; their planet's atmosphere was waning, and could no longer keep the heat in, and to top it off, volcanic activity was beginning to wane, as well. These naturally evolved 'humans' then came up with a plan to create an artificial atmosphere using gold particles to save their planet; the only problem was, gold was extremely rare on Nibiru and there was not enough there to sustain them; they had to look for another source. They then set their gaze to Earth, which seemed to possess unimaginable amounts of this rare necessity.
Initially, 600 of these 'alien astronauts' landed on Earth first and began to mine for gold. Among these were two brothers – Enki, who was a genius scientist, and Enlil, who was a half brother, born from a half sister of his father, Anu, and heir to the throne of Nibiru.
Mining went on for thousands of years, until about 320,000 years ago – when then the Anunnaki (it means Those who from Heaven to Earth Came) began to complain about the harsh mining conditions and mutinied. Enki then exclaimed "Let us create a primitive worker to mine the gold for us!" Of course, nobody was convinced of this statement at first because they all knew that none of them possessed the ability to create a lifeform from scratch. But then Enki exclaimed, "This primitive worker already exists! All we have to do is to imprint our image and likeness upon it!" Enki was, of course, referring to the Homo Erectus that had been found on the planet during that time, and his plan was to genetically combine Anunnaki genes with that of the Homo Erectus to, basically, jump the gun on evolution and create an 'intelligent' primitive worker.
This is why in the Bible, in Genesis, the statement, "Let US create man in our own image and likeness" is in plural.
The first 'humans' created were hybrids, and could not reproduce on their own – and were born via what was known as 'birth goddesses". This was a very inefficient way to create primitive workers, so Enki genetically tampered with humans, once again, and gave them the ability to reproduce. This enraged his brother, Enlil – and he is quoted as saying, "You gave them a taste of the tree of knowledge; next you will probably give them a taste of the tree of life". Enki then exclaimed, "Wisdom and knowledge I did give them, but of the tree of life I did not." Nonetheless, the primitive workers were then cast out of the spaceport, 'Eden' by Enlil's order.
But then something unexpected happened – the Anunnaki males were attracted to the human females, and began to mate with them – this, too, is quoted in the Bible: 'The Sons of God found the Daughters of Man to be fair and had children with them'.
Anyway, I'd like to continue this, but this is getting to be quite a lengthy post. Books that you should read:
The Twelfth Planet by Zecharia Sitchin
Genesis Revisited by Zecharia Sitchin
The Lost Book of Enki by Zecharia Sitchin
Breaking the Godspell by Neil Freer
God Games by Neil Freer
There are many other books on this subject, but the above ones are the most important, since they provide actual physical PROOF of all of this.
September 3rd, 2004 at 1:44 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
physical proof? You obviously don't understand what science is, so I'm going to assume you are one who can be told that someone has proof and automatically believe him or her.
Here's your problem: you will question anything mainstream but not question anything that is far out or a conspiracy theory. You do not see any problem here either. If you could once in your life judge all information fairly, you might come to some interesting conclusions on your own.
Since you don't have any care for scientific methods or principles, I will encourage you to not populate scientific forums with your drivel until you produce an alien yourself to show us all. Read all the fairy tales you want, just don't bring them to a scientific forum.
September 3rd, 2004 at 4:01 PM
Kadamose wins the gullibility award this week
This post is just so ridiculous, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I think I'll laugh for now
> Approximately 4 billion years ago, this rogue planet called
> Nibiru (also known as Marduk) collided with a planet
> four times the size of Earth called Tiamat
Note all the wonderful names
It is amazing that someone has managed to preseve them so accurately for over 4 billion years! Oh, wait…
> In the meantime, the hominidae on Nibiru were already
> evolving on schedule, and had quite a head start over the life on EArth.
So, Kadamose, when did you last talk to those hominidae on Nibiru? Do you have a regular correspondence schedule, or what? Perhaps you could ask them to make some more oil for us, 'cause we seem to be running out.
> Then, about 450,000 years ago, the inhabitants of Nibiru
> were facing a crisis; their planet's atmosphere was waning, and
> could no longer keep the heat in, and to top it off, volcanic
> activity was beginning to wane, as well
Now, let's see. You have a planet that nobody has ever seen, hominids that have evolved naturally (kinda puts you in a bind to explain why humans could not have done the same, does it not?), Earth-seeding, and this incredibly detailed history. All hail Kadamose, the most powerful psychic who ever lived! He is so strong in his ESP, he can sense events happening 450000 years ago on a planet some light years away. Perhaps you could enlighten us where they get their energy? Furthermore, they have no sunlight at all; no sunlight = no heat; no heat = no atmosphere. Or perhaps, you would like to invent an "extra sun" for them as well?
> Among these were two brothers – Enki, who was a genius scientist,
> and Enlil, who was a half brother, born from a half sister of his father,
> Anu, and heir to the throne of Nibiru.
Gosh, an evil scientist, a bastard, and a prince! Could it get any more exciting than that?
> Initially, 600 of these 'alien astronauts' landed on Earth first and began to mine for gold.
Oh, that's right, we forgot treasure!
> Enki then exclaimed "Let us create a primitive worker to mine the gold for us!"
And slaves!
> But then Enki exclaimed, "This primitive worker already exists!
> All we have to do is to imprint our image and likeness upon it!"
And a giant conspiracy to make humans look like gods but to actually be evil. Now, why would Enki want his primitive workers look like him?
> This is why in the Bible, in Genesis, the statement,
> "Let US create man in our own image and likeness" is in plural.
Let's not forget the Bible either. That should silence any opposition.
> This was a very inefficient way to create primitive workers, so Enki
> genetically tampered with humans, once again, and gave them the ability to reproduce.
I guess he couldn't have done this to begin with. I guess Homo Erectus didn't have much sex.
> his enraged his brother, Enlil – and he is quoted as saying,
> "You gave them a taste of the tree of knowledge; next you will probably
> give them a taste of the tree of life".
Interesting. So "knowledge" actually means "sex"!
> Nonetheless, the primitive workers were then cast out of the spaceport
Who could possibly mistake a spaceport for a garden?
> the Anunnaki males were attracted to the human females, and began to mate with them
Oh, goody! The Whitehouse interns strike again! Now we can add a sex scandal to the story. This is getting better by the minute.
> this, too, is quoted in the Bible
Let's not forget to mention the Bible again, to allow those underware tents to abate
> There are many other books on this subject, but the above ones are
> the most important, since they provide actual physical PROOF of all of this.
And what physical PROOF can a book provide? Do they have some "Enki teeth" to sell you?
Seriously, Kadamose, you need to stop believing everything you hear. And, by the way, I have a great piece of swampland in Florida that you might be interested in buying.
September 3rd, 2004 at 4:52 PM
Re:Has Foresight really accomplished its mission?
I rest my case.
September 7th, 2004 at 6:41 PM
Re:Kadamose wins the gullibility award this week :
Haha, totally awesome.