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Nanoluddites active in the U.K.

Christine Peterson has pointed out an item from Howard Lovy's Nanobot regarding Further Info on Nanotech Action in Leeds.

It looks like the European GMO perspective is starting to spill over into nanotechnology. Obviously an education problem here as it seems that the anti-nanotech forces don't seem to realize that nanotechnology can help clean up the existing problems as well as reduce future problems.

How does one make it clear to people that reality is going to evolve and they had best evolve with it?

6 Responses to “Nanoluddites active in the U.K.”

  1. Kadamose Says:

    Who cares what they think

    Nanotech is coming whether anyone likes it or not. They only have two choices: ADAPT or DIE.

    Add that in with the fact that 'the Great Cleansing' is coming in less than 8 years, which will, presumabley, destroy 75% of the world's population, makes me not worry so much about what these idiots think. Here's hoping that the scum who continue to suppress knowledge and try to keep the human race from ever knowing the truth about the universe, are destroyed in the coming chaos.

    WE SHALL BE AS GODS.

  2. Anonymous Coward Says:

    Re:Who cares what they think

    if 75 percent die, who is gonna do all the work?

  3. Kadamose Says:

    Re:Who cares what they think

    What kind of work are you refering to? Do you mean who is going to work at the fast food restaurants, the local newspaper, and the corporations? The answer is no one, because such work does not benefit anyone.

    The 'slave' work that dominates this tiny planet will not exist anymore – the only 'work' left will be for humans to 'study' and seek more knowledge.

  4. RobertBradbury Says:

    Re:Who cares what they think

    Kadamose, allow me to offer some comments.

    First, your comment that they must "ADAPT or DIE" is clearly inaccurate. My parents are in their 70's and 80's. They have absolutely no need to "ADAPT" in their minds. From their perspective they are going to "DIE" as are most individuals their age who reject cryonics. There is no "choice" involved. Humans are *supposed* to DIE. Since cryonic reanimation has never been demonstrated "ADAPTATION" is nothing more than a fantasy or an exercise based in faith from their perspective.

    Second, "Nanotech" may not come. There are reasonable risks that range from a GMO-like luddite backlash to a terrorist release of engineered bioweapons to a rise of religous conservatives in politics that could stop nanotech in its tracks and push it back into the box.

    Third, *What* evidence do you have that there will be a 'Great Cleansing' and what evidence do you have that it will happen in less than 8 years and/or destroy 75% of the world's population? You are making arbitrary claims unsupported by any evidence.

    While I intensely dislike the concept of suppressing anyone's opinion as a nanodot editor I intend for it to be a forum for serious discussion. IF, in the future, you fail to provide reasonable justification for your claims I will begin to delete your messages.

    You are free to have and express your opinions. However if you are going to make extreme claims in this forum you have to provide justification for them other than "I think this is going to happen". I'm glad that you think something is going to happen — but I'd rather have nanodot readers thinking about materials that will actually educate them and perhaps make a difference in actual developments instead of having to plow through posts that ultimately reflect negatively on nanodot as a useful discussion forum.

  5. Kadamose Says:

    Re:Who cares what they think

    Ok, you've made a good point, and I will follow through with your wishes.

    From their perspective they are going to "DIE" as are most individuals their age who reject cryonics. There is no "choice" involved.

    No choice, you say? If that's true, it's not because cryonics or other advanced technologies have not been demonstrated…it's simply because they've never been informed that such technologies DO exist. They're stuck in that mindset where one is born, grows up, gets married, has children, and then grows old and dies. If they were informed that such technology is not only possible, but already exists, they would stop watching their soap operas and waiting to die, and actually become a productive part of the scientific community. I'm pretty sure that if these old folk were told that the aging process could be reversed, and their youth could be restored, they would not only donate their measely Social Security checks to scientific endeavors, but would most likely try to become a little more educated to actually help the scientific community in small ways.

    It really amazes me how stupid some people are – and the reason for this amazement is the fact that they think that all the technology that is available to the public is the current 'advanced' technology. However, this is NOT the case. Several institutions (i.e. Mystery Schools), including those in the private sector, are 50-100 years ahead in technological development than the rest of the world. The reason why the technology is not shared is because those who are in possession of this technology, wish to use it to control the 'sheeple'. This is becoming even more evident today with the release of micro-chips that are to be placed underneath the skin, for both financial and medical records – at least, that's the official word on this technology. Unfortunately, it has much sinister appications…such as controlling the thoughts and emotions of those who are equipped with such devices. If those who are currently in control succeed with their plan, then most of humanity will become the ultimate slave race (even more so than they are now), and there will be no way out.

    Recommended documentation, that I guarantee will enlighten a person of your caliber, is The Biggest Secret by David Icke.

    Second, "Nanotech" may not come. There are reasonable risks that range from a GMO-like luddite backlash to a terrorist release of engineered bioweapons to a rise of religous conservatives in politics that could stop nanotech in its tracks and push it back into the box.

    Not likely. The genie is out of the bottle…and it can't be put back in, because the bottle is broken. Your problem, Robert, is that you're like Christine Peterson who thinks that the U.S. is the center of the universe, and if it refuses to create MNT, then the rest of the world doesn't have a chance to do so. I would like to point out that over 80% of the Scientists and Engineers (those who actually make a contribution to the advancement of those fields) are all foreign born. I would also like to point out that the U.S. education system is beyond inadequate, and even if the country wanted to create MNT on its own, it would have a very low probability of success because of this.

    Many people claim that the wheel is mankind's greatest invention – but, I disagree. I think that mankind's greatest invention was the concept of 'GOD'. It is the ultimate control device. Almost all of the wars in all of human history have been fought over this belief; money and land had been both donated and stolen to fuel the concept – and worse, the 'GOD' concept was used to imprison the human mind, and to discourage scientific advancement, as well as making 'occult' knowledge taboo among the masses – thus thrusting the human race into a dark age. Most people think that the dark ages ended in the 19th century…but that's not true. Take a look at most of the cultures and people around the world, and you will realize that over 80% of the world's entire population are religious. As long this manmade mumbo jumbo is enforced onto the masses, the dark ages will forever remain.

    The Luddites, and the religious zealots, will most definitely try to stop Nanotech, and kill or imprison any of us witches or heretics who dare defy them. But look where we are today? We have technology – something of which the Roman Catholic Church, among others, opposes to this very day. Granted, our technological development may be slowed down considerabley, due to the stupidity of our bretheren, but it can never be halted. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And thus, Nanotech is coming whether anyone likes it or not.

    Third, *What* evidence do you have that there will be a 'Great Cleansing' and what evidence do you have that it will happen in less than 8 years and/or destroy 75% of the world's population? You are making arbitrary claims unsupported by any evidence.

    Several cultures across the globe tell the tale of a great upheavel that will occur on December 21st, 2012. This was first predicted by the Olmecs, who claimed that 2012 would be the end of time as we know it. Perhaps the most most famous, would be the Mayans and their calender, who claimed that 2012 would be the end of the Fifth World and the beginning of the Sixth World…one which has a completely clean slate. Then, there are the Hopi Indians, who claimed that 2012 would be the time in which the 'The Great Cleansing' would occur, and during this process, the majority of the inhabitants on the planet would be destroyed (i.e. 75% +),

    Perhaps I am crazy to believe in the possibilties of this event ever occuring, but being the observer I am, I can already see that something monumental is about to occur. It doesn't take a genius to know that the planet can't sustain 6 billion people…especially with our very destructive, polluting technology. This can't go on forever…and it won't. I also find it to be no coincidence that many scientists, including the now deceased Terrance Mckenna, predicted the first 'public' MNT assembler would be built around the end of 2012.

    I'm both an optimist and a pessimist – I'm hoping that a great apocalyptic event occurs and destroys most of humanity…at the same time, I hope that true Nanotech is born and the people who have access to it, use it to understand the universe, and perhaps, later, emulate it.

  6. kenbeal Says:

    Re:Who cares what they think

    Please do not delete any messages unless they break a law (like Slashdot deleted messages which contained Scientology copyrights).

    Slashcode has a moderation system build expressly for this. I assume you (Robert) are an administrator of this site, so you could just moderate the posts you disagree with down as far as they can go. Still not very sportsmanlike, but much better from a censorship position than deleting.

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